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Originally Posted by Patrick30 View Post


. I was thinking that. I wanted something with a little design to it thats why I was looking at the Fith Avs or the Strands over the Park Aves. I really dig the strands but I see most people don't recomend them in black. I actually bought the Cliftons because Nordstrom had them on sale for 240.00 but after seeing the Fith Avenues online I really like the lacing on the latter much more then the Cliftons. So I'm thinking of returning and getting the Fith Aves....I'm still trying to decide also if my grey suit is too light for a brown shoe. I'd like my brown shoe to ve versatile enough to wear with jeans and a blazer too and in my opinion the Strands are too much. That's why I was thinking of Black Strands for the weddings then a more simple brown shoe to go with everything . I'm a mess and have like two days to decide which two pairs of shoes to buy!

 

I know you're looking for a black shoe with broguing, but have you thought about the option of a completely plain toe black shoe a la the Carlyle? I own a pair in black and I feel sleek every time I wear them. To me, their style lies within their simplicity. Plus, if you ever have the need for black tie shoes, you can put a mirror shine on them and they look better than patent IMO. Just throwing in another shoe to consider!

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This does not explain the significant variation in quality for FIRSTS. They most certainly take a loss on shoes developed as firsts, sold as firsts, and returned over and over and potentially have to be rebranded as seconds. There is an acceptable error rate in every manufacturing process, and AE has been able to sell from this error batch as seconds. Agreed, and not a terrible model. But you run into issues when their error rate starts creeping into firsts territory.

You said it yourself: There is an acceptable error rate, and therein lies the explanation for the variation in quality for firsts. Without question, AE could produce a much higher quality shoe, using much higher quality materials, with a much lower error rate. The question is, to what end. In doing so, they would narrow their marketplace dramatically as they would have to charge more. Additionally, they would likely lose margin as they would be producing in lower quantities, making their purchasing power lower. And on top of that, they would lose the very strong seconds segment which they are currently making a very nice profit from. I could go on, but we've done this before and I just dont have the inspiration to keep it going this time.

 

Kahuna had it right when he said AE knows what they are doing.

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Actually I think you guys convinced yourselves of this. I'm solidly in the camp that thinks doing things like proven market winners is probably better than making a bunch of crap quality rejects. Unless of course AE is aiming to become the GM of shoes.

Edward Green, who make some of the finest RTW shoes in the world, have teetered on the brink of bankruptcy for the better part of 30 years. AE has a very strong and growing business that is exceptionally profitable. I dont know what business school you went to, but AE in this case IS the "market winner".

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I know you're looking for a black shoe with broguing, but have you thought about the option of a completely plain toe black shoe a la the Carlyle? I own a pair in black and I feel sleek every time I wear them. To me, their style lies within their simplicity. Plus, if you ever have the need for black tie shoes, you can put a mirror shine on them and they look better than patent IMO. Just throwing in another shoe to consider!

+1

I have the Carlyle (in my avatar in fact), and think the above is an outstanding suggestion. The 108 is a sort of weird last, but the shoe has nice lines.

 

For $500, you could get these though, http://www.skoaktiebolaget.se/collections/enzo-bonafe/products/enzo-bonafe-dress-shoes which I find vastly superior. The extra $115 is worth it over time.

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Spent 20 minutes shining and "boning" my Dundees last night. They were all nice and sparkly this morning, until I had to walk 15 minutes in an annoying misty sprinkle of rain (totally unpredicted btw).

Now they're all dappled and cloudy. My first shell-rain fix coming tonight...

(Before)



(After)



Do you guys use a conditioner on your shells after rain? Like saphir or VSC? Or just brush and bone?
post #60155 of 70737
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Spent 20 minutes shining and "boning" my Dundees last night. They were all nice and sparkly this morning, until I had to walk 15 minutes in an annoying misty sprinkle of rain (totally unpredicted btw).

Now they're all dappled and cloudy. My first shell-rain fix coming tonight...

(Before)



(After)



Do you guys use a conditioner on your shells after rain? Like saphir or VSC? Or just brush and bone?

 

Same thing happened to me today!

 

Water isnt going to hurt them at all. I just bone, wet brush, and buff/shine.

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Originally Posted by peppercorn78 View Post

Spent 20 minutes shining and "boning" my Dundees last night. They were all nice and sparkly this morning, until I had to walk 15 minutes in an annoying misty sprinkle of rain (totally unpredicted btw).

Now they're all dappled and cloudy. My first shell-rain fix coming tonight...

(Before)

(After)


Do you guys use a conditioner on your shells after rain? Like saphir or VSC? Or just brush and bone?

 

:smarmy: shoe fetish to a whole new level, eh?

 

In all seriousness, though. The other day I wore my Ravello LWBs in a massive downpour. They were thoroughly soaked. Here's what I did:

 

(1) Let them dry completely and naturally, overnight. Don't put trees in them.

(2) The next morning, put trees in them.

(3) Start with a moderately damp cloth, and wipe the shoes down to remove all the dirt and crap from the rain.

(4) Brush them a lot. 

(5) Apply Bick 4 to condition the leather and brush it while it's drying.

(6) Buff to a moderate shine.

(7) Apply VSC sparingly, buff to a nice shine.

 

Here's what my LWBs looked like before the rain:

 

 

And after the rain (see the spotting and discoloration?):

 

 

And after the treatment I outlined above:

 

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"2) If AE were to have their QC tolerances set at a range to meet SF member requirements...they would be a $1,000 shoe."

I don't agree here.

To become $ 1000 they have to offer better quality leather, refined construction and from leather/paper board heels to leather heels.
There are many other shoemakers that offer $500 range shoes with the abovementioned improvements.
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Originally Posted by csmitty View Post
 
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Originally Posted by FatTuesday
 
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I tried on a 12D (most shoes) and 11.5D. Went with 11.5D.


Same situation for me, but backwards. 11.5 D was a bit snug. Tried 12D which were loose. Went with smaller size which felt fine after a few wearings.


Didn't try an 11.5?

My bad - 11.5D is what I meant.  Responding quickly on phone - I'm lacking proper QC!


Edited by FatTuesday - 6/5/15 at 1:17pm
post #60159 of 70737
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Originally Posted by bdavro23 View Post

You said it yourself: There is an acceptable error rate, and therein lies the explanation for the variation in quality for firsts. Without question, AE could produce a much higher quality shoe, using much higher quality materials, with a much lower error rate. The question is, to what end. In doing so, they would narrow their marketplace dramatically as they would have to charge more. Additionally, they would likely lose margin as they would be producing in lower quantities, making their purchasing power lower. And on top of that, they would lose the very strong seconds segment which they are currently making a very nice profit from. I could go on, but we've done this before and I just dont have the inspiration to keep it going this time.

Kahuna had it right when he said AE knows what they are doing.
Edward Green, who make some of the finest RTW shoes in the world, have teetered on the brink of bankruptcy for the better part of 30 years. AE has a very strong and growing business that is exceptionally profitable. I dont know what business school you went to, but AE in this case IS the "market winner".
"Kahuna had it right when he said AE knows what they are doing." Well said, +1. J
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Remember there are more Nordstrom Rack "outlets" than there are main stores.
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Originally Posted by vmss View Post

"2) If AE were to have their QC tolerances set at a range to meet SF member requirements...they would be a $1,000 shoe."

I don't agree here.

To become $ 1000 they have to offer better quality leather, refined construction and from leather/paper board heels to leather heels.
There are many other shoemakers that offer $500 range shoes with the abovementioned improvements.

I suspect there was a bit of hyperbole in the $1000 price suggestion. Suffice it to say, they would be meaningfully more expensive. 

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Thanks for the feedback! See everything I've read says " no" to the Walnut with medium/light grey. The charts all suggest a more "basic" brown. But I like your suggestion the Walnut Rogue is a very nice shoe in my opinion. I think I will get that for my Brown shoe. As for the Black, if you had to decide between the Clifton or the Fith Avenue which would you choose? Very similar except the lacing . I know I don't want the Park Avenue right now. Weddings are formal but also allow some style and freedom.

 

FYI, I just received the walnut Rogue and would not hesitate to wear it with the grey you mentioned. I use it as the "brown" counterpoint to my black full wing tip, even though the Rogue is a cap toe.

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Do you guys put shoe trees in your boat shoes? I was in the store, and the displays were about half and half, but always in the oxfords? Are they helpful in the non-welted shoes?
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Do you guys put shoe trees in your boat shoes? I was in the store, and the displays were about half and half, but always in the oxfords? Are they helpful in the non-welted shoes?


i do. i have a few extra pairs of trees lying around so might as well. i even put them in my running shoes. i used to laugh at guys that put them in running shoes but i like it now. i like the fact they absorb all the sweat and keep my shoes in shape, although my boat shoes and running shoes don't last that long.

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Just left my local AE store. Ordered a pair of maritimes, as their sizing was very limited. Kept the same length but went down from D to B width. Hoping they fight.

I was amazed at how different the same size fit over 3 different shoes of the same model. Major differences in the "humps" of the sole lining.
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