are these the presidio?http://www.brooksbrothers.com/Penny-Loafers/MH00026,default,pd.html?dwvar_MH00026_Color=BLCK&contentpos=5&cgid=
Yes, they are Presidio. Wow, the price has gone up lately on those shoes at BB. There have often been high numbers of the BB Presidios available as factory 2nds from the Shoebank. I can remember them being $109 for a pair from Shoebank. Can't imagine them being more than $150. I have found often times the BB shoes available through Shoebank seem 1st quality to me. It can be tricky fitting hard sole loafers, especially if one's feet are a little different in size. That's why I haven't bought a pair.