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Folks I want to see your opinion on this I am in need of a pair of black shoes, from the choices below which one should I choose:

 

1) JaB Boardroom (Park Ave) First Quality

2) Independence collection Williams LWB Seconds

3) Independence collection Hancock Seconds

 

 

They are all around the $200 price tag.

I don't know if there is any difference in leather or construction quality from the collection to the regular line so please let me know if there is as well, Thank you in advance.

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I think I found my next AE. Dark Chili Rogue. I saw it in person today and I like it much better in person - I like it better than the Walnut.

And I found the 9D fits me better than my usual 9.5D. The 9.5D has a bit too much depth in the toe and looks like it would crease badly. The 9D is almost perfect.

Here are a couple of pics.




Chris
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I think I found my next AE. Dark Chili Rogue. 


Chris

I was impressed with this shoe... in person. The dark chili really fits the larger perforations!

 

I couldn't get a proper fit though - the size that fit heel-to-ball had way too much room in the forefoot/toe and I too was afraid of creasing. Dropping down a 1/2 size made the room go away, but just didn't feel right on the balls of my feet.

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Originally Posted by J One View Post

Folks I want to see your opinion on this I am in need of a pair of black shoes, from the choices below which one should I choose:



 



1) JaB Boardroom (Park Ave) First Quality



2) Independence collection Williams LWB Seconds



3) Independence collection Hancock Seconds



 



 



They are all around the $200 price tag.



I don't know if there is any difference in leather or construction quality from the collection to the regular line so please let me know if there is as well, Thank you in advance.

 



It depends what your intended use is for the shoes. If you need a pair of casual shoes, the Williams are wonderful shoes and the Independence collection uses better leather with a nice lining.

However, if you need a pair of black dress shoes for more formal settings, including wearing a suit, then you should go with the Boardroom. Incidentally, the Boardroom is on the 97 last, which fits most people well and is comfortable.

The difference is that the Boardroom is an oxford (closed lacing) which is more formal, while the Williams and Hancock are Derbies (open lacing), and are more casual. This is all according to tradition of course, but the derbies will look bulkier than the oxfords and will tend to not look as good with more formal clothing.
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Excellent, thanks for your reply.

 

In terms on value for your money and quality of materials, will you choose an Independence collection shoe (seconds) over a first quality Boardroom if there are at the same price point. I am leaning towards the first Quality shoe unless the materials and construction of the Indy are far more superior. Granted I have not seeing the Indy line in person so don't know how much better shoe it is.   

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Excellent, thanks for your reply.

 

In terms on value for your money and quality of materials, will you choose an Independence collection shoe (seconds) over a first quality Boardroom if there are at the same price point. I am leaning towards the first Quality shoe unless the materials and construction of the Indy are far more superior. Granted I have not seeing the Indy line in person so don't know how much better shoe it is.   

 

If there were no time contstraints involved...meaning sales and had time to get the seonds in to inspect ...personally I would go with Indy seconds...Problem is if the Indy seconds are not to your liking and you miss out on the firsts sale.

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I've got pretty much every sole AE makes at this point, and a fair bit of experience with snow, out here in Denver.  I'd say the mini-lug sole is the best for traction in snow, for sure.  Only downside - it's the least comfortable for walking any kind of distance.  The Dainite sole is almost as good for traction, and a lot more comfortable for long walking distances.  The combo tap sole is the most comfortable for distance walking, but the worst for snow traction, with the exception of plain leather soles, which are absolutely terrible in snow.


Hmmm, hopefully mine will strike this balance. I don't walk for long stretches during the day, but I'll put in a couple miles.


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I find Dainite very slippery, useless in snow.  Than again, is anything really good in snow...   

 

 

It is however good for almost everything else, and good looking.  Will still buy it. 

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Excellent, thanks for your reply.



 



In terms on value for your money and quality of materials, will you choose an Independence collection shoe (seconds) over a first quality Boardroom if there are at the same price point. I am leaning towards the first Quality shoe unless the materials and construction of the Indy are far more superior. Granted I have not seeing the Indy line in person so don't know how much better shoe it is.   


 



I have never been able to find an issue with the seconds that I have purchased, though others here have. In fact, the only two shoes I have had to send back to AE were 1st quality, one of which was an Indy jefferson with a mangled insole. YMMV.

I have to refer you back to what I originally posted: Buy the shoe that fits your need. Otherwise, it doesnt matter what the price or quality might be. If you need a suit shoe, buy the boardroom. If you need a casual shoe, buy a brown shoe. In my opinion, the black derby is an odd shoe that doesnt really fit anything well and there is almost always a better alternative.
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I just noticed that all cordovan and Indy line shoes are removed from shoebank.com.

Anyone care to speculate why? I prefer to think that it's because of an incredible sale coming up for those shoes smile.gif

Not finding this to be true at all, I am seeing both Jeffersons and shells in size 11 1/2 & 12 D
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Not finding this to be true at all, I am seeing both Jeffersons and shells in size 11 1/2 & 12 D


+1 here... size 8.5D

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+1 here... size 8.5D


I checked this morning for 8.5 D and found no shells at all. Must have been a temporary thing.

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@abc5

What color is that?


hi, it's their 'brown'...  but it doesnt look like brown like i see on other AE shoes...would you agree?

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Originally Posted by J One View Post
 

Excellent, thanks for your reply.

 

In terms on value for your money and quality of materials, will you choose an Independence collection shoe (seconds) over a first quality Boardroom if there are at the same price point. I am leaning towards the first Quality shoe unless the materials and construction of the Indy are far more superior. Granted I have not seeing the Indy line in person so don't know how much better shoe it is.   

 

In your original post on the subject you mentioned you were "in need of a pair of black shoes."  In the above post you spoke of maximizing "value."  Let me throw out a couple of thoughts that aren't intended to be as random as they may appear, with the understanding you have not mentioned how often you "dress up" and what other shoes you have.

 

* While I think the Hancock and Boardroom are both on the 7 last, the Williams is on the 222 last, which many folks here have labeled tricky (or something more profane :D).  I have the RL x AE "Sanderson" which some believe to be a rebranded Williams.  It tolerates my high instep surprisingly well.  However, it does not fit the same as my Macneil, a 7 last LWB.  Shoes that don't fit well enough to be comfortably worn are no value, despite how superior their materials may be or how cheap the price.

 

* In my own case, meaning in my view, I only "need" to have black shoes when wearing a conservative suit AND the occasion is such that a dark brown or burg shoe won't do.  Those occasions are few and far between (for me) but on those occasions I coincidentally want something that is (i) an oxford/bal, and (ii) largely free of perfs and (iii) has a straight cap.  In other words, a black stitch cap or punch cap.  On those somewhat rare occasions, nothing else is traditionally regarded as quite as appropriate.  The Boardroom is the only one of the three to fit that description.  In my view, the fact a black cap toe isn't very versatile is irrelevant.  While you might not need a deep well 7/16 socket very often, when you DO need one, nothing else will really do.

 

* Black perfed bluchers - like black loafers - always strike me as a little (or a lot) incongruent in that they have all sorts of casual characteristics EXCEPT for their color.  They're sort of like the residents on the Island of Misfit Toys.  As noted by others above, in more casual situations than those calling for a CBD suit, there are usually much better options.  In other words, if you have built, or are building, a nice rotations of dress shoes, you probably already have something better for sportcoats and less formal suits (and should be wearing them).

 

Having said all that, the Independence line is clearly a nice step up and the flaws on many Shoebank 2nds are unnoticeable or nearly so.  And the Williams is fairly sleek for a LWB.  Doesn't it have a flat welt and single sole like the Sanderson?  Out in the Real World, many folks wear black LWB's with suits and to good effect.  I just don't care to.

 

Here's what I'd do: I'd grab the Boardroom and one or both of the Indy's with the idea of returning two of the three (assuming funds allow) to lock in the price/availability. 

 

1.  If the Boardrom fits well, you can check your black stitchcap off your list and move on, returning the two Indy's.  

 

2. If the Boardroom doesn't fit, the Hancock might not either, given it is on the same last (but as a blucher, is more forgiving).

 

3. If neither of the 7 last shoes fit, there is no guarantee the Williams will either, or that it won't have bite marks from the German Shepard security dog working at the AE factory.  But if it does fit and looks acceptable, to calculate value you still need to consider how often you will be wearing a black blucher.

 

If funds only allow one purchase at a time, I'd grab the Boardrooms while the price is still good.  The black Indy bluchers will likely still be available after you test drive, and possibly return, the Boardrooms (assuming they are returnable).  There is a reason that black bluchers sell for less on the Shoebank: less demand. 

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