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Good catch - I didnt see that before.  Definitely return those.  That toe cap is terrible.

AE seems to screw this up a lot from what I've seen.  I personally wouldn't care, but they obviously bother you enough that you should get an exchange.

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Is the 2 for $250 sale coming up soon?
Sorry to burst your bubble, but .... they ain't doing that this time.

Now you kind of got me started.  I believe that we will start to see AE implode upon itself.  Not sure how carefully you follow the prices over time, but if you were to compare even today to one year ago, the jump is borderline ludicrous.  I always thought of AE as kind of the middle of the road option between crap brands like CH and ultra high end luxury brands.  But the price of classics like the PA/Strand and those others rise and rise, to the point where I bet we will see the RA sale prices reflect the retail prices of the year before.  I remember reading that they were going to do more Independence Line models, like even for things like the PA.  And then what?  Make $500 the norm?  Phase out the standard models entirely?  Then inflate the shell cord prices even more?  I realize that the costs of leather are going up, but come on.  I was looking at a shell cord Randolph last year from the outlet, believe it was going to run about $300.  Did someone in an earlier post say shell cord sale price for this Feb sale was going to be $400?  A $100 increase?  Not sure how much of the sale list you have seen (they didn't actually publish most of it), but believe me, it pales in comparison to things they have done in the past.  Lots of BB models and I didn't think the discounts were too good.  There were a handful of standouts in my opinion, but no showstoppers.  I think if AE continues this trend of inflating the prices and offering more sales like this to try to trick the consumer into thinking they are getting a good deal, it will hurt them in the long run.

Completely unrelated, but they need to expand the styles into things people would actually want.  Someone in a different thread was asking for something comparable to a TBNY.  The Harrison and PA were suggested, but really when you look at it, I don't think AE has anything quite like them - they should, but they don't.  Why not make some different styles like those?  Instead they are going after Rockport's market and making things like the Voyager?  I don't get it.

It is tough to judge AE and what they are looking to accomplish...They clearly have a plan and a model that is geared to satisfying a certain growth pattern. I would love to see them go out and kick the Cole Haans, CK, Rockports of the world's asses if they can do so by remaining a made in the USA company without farming more work out to the Dominican. I do not mind them so much expanding things but as you mention quality has to have a line drawn somewhere...I have gotten a few pair of the AE Dominican line for summer beating around and as seconds they were better stitched then most the regular line. The trunk shoe shell to me was an example of doing right and wrong all at the same time...Great concept with poor execution.

To me MTO and Shell should be handled by the most skilled of their shoe makers...and not have the amount of problems we see. That being said many companies like Alden, Viberg, Edward Green have discontinued MTO programs.

In a logoless product it is tough sledding to brand....I remember when Rockports were a serious breakthrough comfort shoe that was built on word of mouth....before the world wide internets and finding communities on the line....Rockport were like crack at booth conventions were you were on your feet for 12 hours a day.
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Regarding AE quality control, I have had great luck with their 1st quality.  I have four pair of AEs that I've kept at this point and I love them all.  The only "complaint" I have for the AE shoes in my stable right now is the Eagle River boots have far too fragile a leather for a lug boot.  It is a good enough leather but shouldn't be used on a lug boot.  Also, they send that boot unfinished/unconditioned. 

 

The shoebank site is an entirely different story.  I've purchased three pairs from the shoebank site and all went back.  Two of them I bought because the last/style was not available on the main site and the third was me going after the deal.  The common theme with the shoebank shoes is they are "thirds" in my opinion not "seconds".  Others have had better luck but not me.  I'm fairly lenient when going into a second purchase but all three examples were way over the top and firmly in "thirds" territory.  One of the shoes should have been donated to an African village and never attempted to be sold.  When something like that is a second it makes you wonder what gets by as a first.    Luckily, I've not had any problems with their main site "first run" shoes though. 

 

I would echo some of the "company direction" comments.  Staying focused on their current shoe line, however, I don't understand why 90% of their shoes are on the 65 last.  I like their 97 last the best but finding shoes on that last is difficult.  I just don't get it.  Does everyone really like the 65 that much?

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This is as good a place as any to post this question.  Has anyone here purchased the Long Branch in Distressed Teak?  Would I have to treat this leather like suede or could I use Meltonian cream on it like I do everything else?  I like the color well enough and wanted a non-lug alternative to the dark brown Long Branch boots I already have.  My biggest concern is the durability of this particular leather.  Local AE shop does not stock it. 

 

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Originally Posted by Neo1 View Post

Sorry to burst your bubble, but .... they ain't doing that this time.

Now you kind of got me started.  I believe that we will start to see AE implode upon itself.  Not sure how carefully you follow the prices over time, but if you were to compare even today to one year ago, the jump is borderline ludicrous.  I always thought of AE as kind of the middle of the road option between crap brands like CH and ultra high end luxury brands.  But the price of classics like the PA/Strand and those others rise and rise, to the point where I bet we will see the RA sale prices reflect the retail prices of the year before.  I remember reading that they were going to do more Independence Line models, like even for things like the PA.  And then what?  Make $500 the norm?  Phase out the standard models entirely?  Then inflate the shell cord prices even more?  I realize that the costs of leather are going up, but come on.  I was looking at a shell cord Randolph last year from the outlet, believe it was going to run about $300.  Did someone in an earlier post say shell cord sale price for this Feb sale was going to be $400?  A $100 increase?  Not sure how much of the sale list you have seen (they didn't actually publish most of it), but believe me, it pales in comparison to things they have done in the past.  Lots of BB models and I didn't think the discounts were too good.  There were a handful of standouts in my opinion, but no showstoppers.  I think if AE continues this trend of inflating the prices and offering more sales like this to try to trick the consumer into thinking they are getting a good deal, it will hurt them in the long run.

I don't get it, are you mad that AEs sale is not as cheap as before? Or the selection is not as good? I don't know of any other shoemaker that has regular sale and clearance of their 1st quality stocks.

As for seconds, what really is there to complain about? I don't know of any other shoemaker from whom you can score shell cordovan footwear for less than $500 bucks. Yes they may have defects but they are seconds so that was to be expected anyway. And even if there 2nds sales are no longer as deep as before, I don't really know any other shoemaker that gives access to shoes at such deep discounts.
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To me MTO and Shell should be handled by the most skilled of their shoe makers...and not have the amount of problems we see. That being said many companies like Alden, Viberg, Edward Green have discontinued MTO programs.
Just a minor correction. EG still does MTO but not GMTO.
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Rainy Saturday - perfect day for the Long Branch.


Chris
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Originally Posted by Neo1 View Post
 

Sorry to burst your bubble, but .... they ain't doing that this time.

 

Now you kind of got me started.  I believe that we will start to see AE implode upon itself.  Not sure how carefully you follow the prices over time, but if you were to compare even today to one year ago, the jump is borderline ludicrous.  I always thought of AE as kind of the middle of the road option between crap brands like CH and ultra high end luxury brands.  But the price of classics like the PA/Strand and those others rise and rise, to the point where I bet we will see the RA sale prices reflect the retail prices of the year before.  I remember reading that they were going to do more Independence Line models, like even for things like the PA.  And then what?  Make $500 the norm?  Phase out the standard models entirely?  Then inflate the shell cord prices even more?  I realize that the costs of leather are going up, but come on.  I was looking at a shell cord Randolph last year from the outlet, believe it was going to run about $300.  Did someone in an earlier post say shell cord sale price for this Feb sale was going to be $400?  A $100 increase?  Not sure how much of the sale list you have seen (they didn't actually publish most of it), but believe me, it pales in comparison to things they have done in the past.  Lots of BB models and I didn't think the discounts were too good.  There were a handful of standouts in my opinion, but no showstoppers.  I think if AE continues this trend of inflating the prices and offering more sales like this to try to trick the consumer into thinking they are getting a good deal, it will hurt them in the long run.

 

Completely unrelated, but they need to expand the styles into things people would actually want.  Someone in a different thread was asking for something comparable to a TBNY.  The Harrison and PA were suggested, but really when you look at it, I don't think AE has anything quite like them - they should, but they don't.  Why not make some different styles like those?  Instead they are going after Rockport's market and making things like the Voyager?  I don't get it.

 

The shell 2nds price hike to $400 is a bit tremendous considering it was offered at $300 not too long ago. TSM sells Alden 2nds for $425. 

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The shell 2nds price hike to $400 is a bit tremendous considering it was offered at $300 not too long ago. TSM sells Alden 2nds for $425. 


Shell seconds are normally $499. They've gone down to $325 or $399 during the most recent few sales.

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Walnut daltons today:

One of my first pairs of Allen Edmonds. I should really wear them more often.
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Keeping myself entertained...



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MTO Cappuccino shell Bayfields in their natural habitat haha. I committed to keeping these and no longer babying them, time to let the patina begin. They will now be my go to winter boot. They do welt from the water but seem to recover pretty easily after some brushing. I love the color of these when the natural light hits them.

 

 

 

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@Burzan they look great...my brown shell has sort of gotten close to my cigar indy's due to the frequent use......really like the wheeled welt and your toe seems much more rounded than mine

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@Burzan they look great...my brown shell has sort of gotten close to my cigar indy's due to the frequent use......really like the wheeled welt and your toe seems much more rounded than mine

 

Thanks Kahuna, your pair would be even better suited with that storm welt. I quite like this make up though with the flat welt, that could be what is playing tricks on your eyes as to the rounded toe. I have had a tricky time with the 1 last and had to stretch my Leeds, Dundees and the Bayfield out in width around the baby toe area. These are an 8.5D but maybe could have been served better in an 8E, which I understand would be slightly wider. Trial and error all the time when it comes to shoes haha.

 

I am an 8.15-8.25D on Brannock and actually fit quite well in the 5 last in an 8D and a 7.5D in Alden Barrie shoes.

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Originally Posted by Kahuna75 View Post
 

@Burzan they look great...my brown shell has sort of gotten close to my cigar indy's due to the frequent use......really like the wheeled welt and your toe seems much more rounded than mine

 

Thanks Kahuna, your pair would be even better suited with that storm welt. I quite like this make up though with the flat welt, that could be what is playing tricks on your eyes as to the rounded toe. I have had a tricky time with the 1 last and had to stretch my Leeds, Dundees and the Bayfield out in width around the baby toe area. These are an 8.5D but maybe could have been served better in an 8E, which I understand would be slightly wider. Trial and error all the time when it comes to shoes haha.

 

I am an 8.15-8.25D on Brannock and actually fit quite well in the 5 last in an 8D and a 7.5D in Alden Barrie shoes.

 

I am lucky with the 511 last in regards that the footbed itself on 13D I tend to spill over a touch so 13E is my only option if a touch roomy volume wise. Really I think a 12.5E would be perfect for me in the Dalton, Bayfield etc but that is not produced. I fit in a 12D Barrie boots they just need to be with lightee weight socks..12E probably would be perfect on the Barrie or 12.5D but i have not yet been willing to jump through hoopes to get special makeups in those sizes.

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Golden Brown CXL Leeds MTO at work on a snowy Saturday:

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