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A couple observations on this.

The brannock device gives you a very vague starting point, especially when it comes to what the right worth is. There's so many factors that come into play like a high instep, flat feet, fleshy feet, bony feet, bunions, etc., its impossible to gauge width purely off of a 2D measurement.

The 5 last on 95% of guys is going to have a slight to moderate gap in the laces. Generally speaking, if it laces closed all the way, its too big. This gives you room for adjustment as the shoe breaks in. I can't say for sure but I tend to agree with the prior comments, you need to go a width wider to give your instep more room, or try going to a blucher.

Kyle

 

This is off the current topic but was hoping maybe you could shed a little light on this for me (I posted a few pages back about this also). I was initially looking for a Ridgeway or a Black Hills in black (both of which are gone now). I measure a 7.5D and the 7D in the 65 last fits me extremely well, enough that I probably wouldn't need to even try the pair on.  I am very likely going to pick up a pair of Nashuas in all black but have to go with 7.5D, as I find the 114 last very short comparatively.  I really was looking for an Aberdeen but shoebank only has the Brooks Bros version left, so I don't know what the poron will do to the fit (if it will be significantly smaller, etc.).  It turns out they also have some Kiowas left.  I always loved the way these looked but on this I would have no idea on the fit - they are handsewn so I wonder if I would also need the half size up in these too?  If you have any familiarity with either of these I would appreciate some comments.  Thanks so much for your help.

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This is off the current topic but was hoping maybe you could shed a little light on this for me (I posted a few pages back about this also). I was initially looking for a Ridgeway or a Black Hills in black (both of which are gone now). I measure a 7.5D and the 7D in the 65 last fits me extremely well, enough that I probably wouldn't need to even try the pair on.  I am very likely going to pick up a pair of Nashuas in all black but have to go with 7.5D, as I find the 114 last very short comparatively.  I really was looking for an Aberdeen but shoebank only has the Brooks Bros version left, so I don't know what the poron will do to the fit (if it will be significantly smaller, etc.).  It turns out they also have some Kiowas left.  I always loved the way these looked but on this I would have no idea on the fit - they are handsewn so I wonder if I would also need the half size up in these too?  If you have any familiarity with either of these I would appreciate some comments.  Thanks so much for your help.

 

Hey no worries. Since the Aberdeen is made on the 2 last, i would probably recommend that you go up to a 7.5 D just to make sure your toes have enough room to hang out. I wouldn't be too concerned about the poron pad, being a blucher the shoe will accommodate your foot+poron just fine.

 

 Are we thinking of the same Kiowa? If so, its made on the 5 last, so your 7D should work for you on that too. What you've said about the nashua makes total sense. Handswens are going to fit about a half size shorter (generally) compared to a 5 lasted shoe. I went a half size longer and a width narrower with mine. 

 

Kyle 

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Originally Posted by garland View Post

A couple observations on this.

The brannock device gives you a very vague starting point, especially when it comes to what the right worth is. There's so many factors that come into play like a high instep, flat feet, fleshy feet, bony feet, bunions, etc., its impossible to gauge width purely off of a 2D measurement.

The 5 last on 95% of guys is going to have a slight to moderate gap in the laces. Generally speaking, if it laces closed all the way, its too big. This gives you room for adjustment as the shoe breaks in. I can't say for sure but I tend to agree with the prior comments, you need to go a width wider to give your instep more room, or try going to a blucher.

Kyle

+1 to everything Kyle said. Brannock doesn't take into account foot volume at all, which is a fairly important factor. You need a little bit of a gap when the shoes are new to account for stretching. I would estimate you don't want anything more than 3/8" of an inch or so, or the shoe just doesn't fit and you need to try a different width, length, or last. Gaps like Owl's of an inch are so clear indications the shoe just doesn't fit well.

Getting shoe fit advice from a book seems pretty silly, but Flusser recommends no more than a 1/4" for a balmoral when purchasing:

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Lots of fit talk going on, its good to read.  

 

Suede Strands from Saturday morning.  Look really light in natural light.  They aren't.

 

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Hoping AE brings out a new short wing blucher this spring. But in meantime I'm wearing my Hinsdales.


Chris
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All of the discussion about fit has me wondering: Would most people wear the same size in most AE shoes?

I tried on and ordered Daltons in 11D. The salesman didn't measure my foot (should have asked) but it seemed to be the right size. I have my eye on the Eagle River or possibly the Long Branch as well. I'm trying to determine if I should order an 11D in these also (they don't have the Eagle River in the store).
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All of the discussion about fit has me wondering: Would most people wear the same size in most AE shoes?

I tried on and ordered Daltons in 11D. The salesman didn't measure my foot (should have asked) but it seemed to be the right size. I have my eye on the Eagle River or possibly the Long Branch as well. I'm trying to determine if I should order an 11D in these also (they don't have the Eagle River in the store).


The Long Branch is the same last, the 511, so the Dalton should fit the same. I recommend the Long Branch!
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Originally Posted by Al Dente View Post

All of the discussion about fit has me wondering: Would most people wear the same size in most AE shoes?

I tried on and ordered Daltons in 11D. The salesman didn't measure my foot (should have asked) but it seemed to be the right size. I have my eye on the Eagle River or possibly the Long Branch as well. I'm trying to determine if I should order an 11D in these also (they don't have the Eagle River in the store).

I have quite a few AE shoes and all are the same size except for 3 (only about 8% of my AEs). The only AE's in a different size are the Rough Collection / casual shoes - McTavish, Black Hills, and Odenwalds. I went down 1/2 size on these and kept the same width.

I have many lasts also - several handsewns and at least 7 different welted lasts.

One thing that throws a wrench in this is the fact I have 2 McTavishes (natural and cognac) - the natural are 1/2 size down and the cognac are my usual size.

Just my experience.

Chris
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All of the discussion about fit has me wondering: Would most people wear the same size in most AE shoes?



I tried on and ordered Daltons in 11D. The salesman didn't measure my foot (should have asked) but it seemed to be the right size. I have my eye on the Eagle River or possibly the Long Branch as well. I'm trying to determine if I should order an 11D in these also (they don't have the Eagle River in the store).

 



The Long Branch is the same last as the Dalton, but for whatever reason, has a bit more room. Maybe they forgot its the 511G last or something. I have to wear thick socks with the Long Branch, and normal socks with the Daltons.

The Eagle River, some say to move size around. I tried a Norwich on in my normal size and it seemed like a good fit. Different make sure, but just went off where my foot was in the shoe. So hoping for a good fit on the GMTO boot.
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Originally Posted by Al Dente View Post

All of the discussion about fit has me wondering: Would most people wear the same size in most AE shoes?

I tried on and ordered Daltons in 11D. The salesman didn't measure my foot (should have asked) but it seemed to be the right size. I have my eye on the Eagle River or possibly the Long Branch as well. I'm trying to determine if I should order an 11D in these also (they don't have the Eagle River in the store).

I am the same size in the 3 and 5 last. Although, the Mctavish just didn't fit me. They ran big and when I went a half size down, it just didn't feel right. The 7 last felt much bigger then h e5 for me as well.
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Originally Posted by Al Dente View Post

All of the discussion about fit has me wondering: Would most people wear the same size in most AE shoes?



I tried on and ordered Daltons in 11D. The salesman didn't measure my foot (should have asked) but it seemed to be the right size. I have my eye on the Eagle River or possibly the Long Branch as well. I'm trying to determine if I should order an 11D in these also (they don't have the Eagle River in the store).

 



The Long Branch is the same last as the Dalton, but for whatever reason, has a bit more room. Maybe they forgot its the 511G last or something. I have to wear thick socks with the Long Branch, and normal socks with the Daltons.

The Eagle River, some say to move size around. I tried a Norwich on in my normal size and it seemed like a good fit. Different make sure, but just went off where my foot was in the shoe. So hoping for a good fit on the GMTO boot.

Did you mean size "down"?

I ask because I could get a 10 1/2 and end my search now!
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Did you mean size "down"?



I ask because I could get a 10 1/2 and end my search now!

 



If there is one available you can try it. I believe some in MTO thread sized down a 1/2 size due to it being a little long, but I can't remember precisely. Free shipping returns make its easy to try. Also for 2nds work good for nailing down sizing. And the ER 2nds are a good deal.
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Just putting my Brannock/Allen Edmonds/Vass/Carmina sizing in this thread in case it helps out some folks. I have a medium instep, a narrow heel, and a fairly low arch.

 

Brannock: 8.5D US, but closer to 9D than 8D

 

AE 5 last (closed-laced/oxford/balmoral): 9D US (a touch long)

 

AE 5 last (open-laced/derby/blucher): 8.5D US

AE 7 last (open-laced/derby/blucher): 8.5D US (a touch tight in the toes)

 

AE 1-511 last (boot): 8.5D US

AE 201 last (boot): 8.5D US (a touch long)

 

Vass 3636 last (open-laced/derby/blucher): 41 Euro

 

Carmina Inca last (closed-laced/oxford/balmoral): 7.5 UK (a touch tight before breaking in)

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For today, Shell Strands and SWIMS. I would wear some boots for winter storm Juno, but I literally have a 20 steps out of my office to the subway and 20 steps from the subway to my apartment. 

 

 

 

Also, I received mu shell westchesters and suede patriot seconds. I think some of you were wondering the fit on the patriots. I went true to size and I think that will work for most people. The are a little tight on my right foot, but that foot is wider than my left. Many people seem to go up a width, and my guess is that you'd be fine also. Depends on what side of normal and wide you are.  I'll post pictures when I get a chance to wear them. 

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Kyle - thanks for the quick response. So you would suggest going up in the 222-last...good to know. Hadn't really thought much about going up in length, my Sa called the 222 the 65 "wannabe". So in something like the Nashua you went down a width. Also never considered that - I have never used below a D. Lastly, I thought the Kiowa was on the 555, which I know nothing about. If it was really on the 65 that would be perfect. Thanks again.
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