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It's not being sensitive. Anything new on the commercial market from a large company should be 99+% perfect. The price difference between AE and Vass shouldn't be sloppiness or poor quality control. I don't expect to buy a Honda with door dings from the factory because it isn't the price of a Bentley. I expect the price difference to be in the actual quality of product, not the company's ability to execute manufacturing and put a product out the door that is free of issues.

Now the price has gone up, and all of the PR about stepping up quality, making shoes for everyone, converting the Cole Haan buyers blah blah blah...and it seems like every other post in here is about quality control. So while my sample size is small, I have to agree. Price going up, quality (or control) going down.

Maybe they have second tier "Firsts" that they save for online customers hoping they wont want to go through the back and forth of shipping.


I didn't mean sensitive in the emotional sense. I meant it in the sense of being very attuned to, focused upon, or attentive to quality flaws or defects in their shoes. I do believe that the average AE buyer is less attentive to quality control issues than the folks on this forum. I'm not saying that excuses AE quality control, I'm just saying that it might be why every other post in here is about quality as of late.

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I didn't mean sensitive in the emotional sense. I meant it in the sense of being very attuned to, focused upon, or attentive to quality flaws or defects in their shoes. I do believe that the average AE buyer is less attentive to quality control issues than the folks on this forum. I'm not saying that excuses AE quality control, I'm just saying that it might be why every other post in here is about quality as of late.

Likely true. Also likely why AE isn't terribly overly concerned with what is said here.
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Likely true. Also likely why AE isn't terribly overly concerned with what is said here.

I do think Mr. G cares to some extent. I've seen him get into it on AAAC quite often. Not so much here, as he seems to have a personal relationship with Andy and some forum regulars over there.
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I didn't mean sensitive in the emotional sense. I meant it in the sense of being very attuned to, focused upon, or attentive to quality flaws or defects in their shoes. I do believe that the average AE buyer is less attentive to quality control issues than the folks on this forum. I'm not saying that excuses AE quality control, I'm just saying that it might be why every other post in here is about quality as of late.

Likely true. Also likely why AE isn't terribly overly concerned with what is said here.

 

I agree that the QC with the trunk show shoes has been pretty bad so far, even by AE standards.  But, the debate over AE's QC in general has been played out many times in this thread.  For my part, at this point, I own over 40 pairs of AEs, and I'm generally fine with the imperfections - but if I'm looking for something that really needs to be pristine, I'll look to another brand (usually Carmina).

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Maybe they have second tier "Firsts" that they save for online customers hoping they wont want to go through the back and forth of shipping.

 

This replacement was sent from the Boston store, so I'm not sure what went wrong in this case. Yes, it's a very small issue. Even if it was visually inspected, it would easily be missed unless the tongue is flexed.

 

I can't imagine that I'm asking too much of a shoe company by expecting the leather uppers be intact upon arrival.

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I'm much more forgiving on quality control, especially on 2nds. I think most of my pairs, whether first quality or second quality have some minor aesthetics that I tend to look the other way and just rock them as it. 

 

As you go up the price scale, problems like the ones you would find in AE are less prevalent. However, comparing Vass to AE is just simply unfair. AEs are great and domintes my rotation, but at the end of the day, people buy them for below $300 for first and below $250 for seconds during one of AE's ever seemingly perpetual sales. 

 

I'm just not sure there are that many alternatives which are superior to AEs. If one is willing to pony up $385 (or whatever retail price AE charges) for a pair of first, he may be better off taking that money and looking into something in the range or Carminas, Alred Sargents etc....However if your range is $200 to $300, AE is a pretty good bet. 

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That's exactly my point. To the gentleman who spent almost $400 on a pair of AE firsts (which is what AE charges and expects most customers to pay), I would be completely dissatisfied with a shoe that had a glaring imperfection such as a tear in the topmost layer of the leather, or burnishing that detracts from the overall look. 99% of the population would shudder at the idea of spending that much on a shoe, let alone one that you have to "settle" for imperfections.

 

If you are buying seconds, however, I agree that the standards should be more lenient. @Rugger's analogy about Hondas and Bentleys was completely on point.

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comparing Vass to AE is just simply unfair.

So if you went to buy a pair of trousers from J. Crew, you would be ok with a small but obvious stain on the fabric or a pull on the stitching simply because they are J. Crew and not Tom Ford?
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So if you went to buy a pair of trousers from J. Crew, you would be ok with a small but obvious stain on the fabric or a pull on the stitching simply because they are J. Crew and not Tom Ford?

Haha,ummm, I don't hold clothing and shoes in the same type of analysis. I accept these minor aesthetic flaws in AE not because I want to, but because there are no better alternatives in the $200 to $300 price range that offers what AE offers. If you think there is, let me know. The market offers what the market offers. 

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That's exactly my point. To the gentleman who spent almost $400 on a pair of AE firsts (which is what AE charges and expects most customers to pay), I would be completely dissatisfied with a shoe that had a glaring imperfection such as a tear in the topmost layer of the leather, or burnishing that detracts from the overall look. 99% of the population would shudder at the idea of spending that much on a shoe, let alone one that you have to "settle" for imperfections.

If you are buying seconds, however, I agree that the standards should be more lenient. @Rugger
's analogy about Hondas and Bentleys was completely on point.

I think AE would agree with you that your pair is not acceptable. Email CAC with some photos. They'll take care of you. Again. This happened to me with 3 different pairs of Bleeckers (before I gave up and applied the money towards the trunk show). One was gorgeous and almost conpletely perfect except for a cut even smaller than yours in the rear seem of the left shoe. My SA took one look at it and said "no, that's not good."
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Is it just me or is the price of AE firsts going up while the quality control is going south? 


I am concerned about this as well. There's been a lot of disappointment on the forum, especially in the past few weeks. It's hard to tell whether this is just the tiniest subset of customers who are very sensitive to flaws on their shoes, or whether it's indicative or a larger problem.


I think part of the issue is that we are getting our shoes directly from the factory, my guess is the bulk of AE shoes are sold at their stores and third party stores so people get to see them, handle and inspect and get to decide before paying...which always makes things easier to take then the ruined anticipation of getting a box in the mail.

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Thanks for chiming in, everyone! I can confirm what Owlbass said -- my reply to the promo email was answered by a rep who claimed a $40 upcharge. I'm absolutely fine with this; the shoes are worth it at full price, especially when nobody else on the planet can get me anything comparable inside of a six-month period that fits.

I just emailed Allison a few minutes ago to pull the trigger. Now I just need to find a source for silk shoelaces (ideally under $40) and my all-weather orchestra concert attire will be complete.


That is not bad at all then. I know what you mean and it is a pain to have to pay full price unless you can find a pair sitting around at the Shoebank. They definitely should work for the orchestra attire, but did you ever just think of taking a nice pair with you and wearing a bad pair to get to work? You play the French Horn, right? if so, they don't take that much room that you can put them in your mute bag or take them with you when you don't need mutes. That is what I can do and I play the trombone so I always have to carry a ton of mutes for each concert anymore. 

 

Oh yea and there are a few others that can accommodate the sizing. Alden can if you order ahead, but 6 months is cutting it close. C&J can do some super narrow widths for MTO, but only one or two styles can be made for no extra charge. Church's can too for the classic styles. Even EG can, but the price is a huge jump. 

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Walnut shell daltons today. 

 


great look! don't see that color too often

post #54149 of 70737
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Is it just me or is the price of AE firsts going up while the quality control is going south? 

 

 

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I am concerned about this as well. There's been a lot of disappointment on the forum, especially in the past few weeks. It's hard to tell whether this is just the tiniest subset of customers who are very sensitive to flaws on their shoes, or whether it's indicative or a larger problem.


I'm starting to think that they do have problems more on the non-standard styles that are only available for a few months and are discontinued. They seem to make them like a fashion company who doesn't care.

 

I haven't noticed problems in the standard styles though, which is definitely saying something. I think they may need to slow down with the new styles and just add a few a season at most while focusing on QC across the board. That will keep their sales up anyway, because they only need to make those styles to draw in some people and once they see the difference from cheap fashion shoes, they will be converted and try other styles. 

 

If they have problems that are as noticeable as some pictures we have seen, then those customers will no longer be customers at all for AE. They will start to lose some of us as well, which will really hurt them much more. 

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Walnut shell daltons today. 

 

 

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great look! don't see that color too often

 

those look great

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