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Originally Posted by Rugger View Post

Well, friends, my Carlyles have arrived and are suffering from the famed AE welt connect area issue and some strange wrinkles/bubbling alone the vamp/quarter seam. The belt also has some noticeable dents along the top line. Hopefully they can take care of this issue promptly and will send them out before my return arrives. Otherwise...absolutely love the shoes. My new favorites for sure.

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Very nice.  I have them and love them.  They are not as roomy as the shoes i have in the 5 last so i tend to not wear them very often, I should change that and really break them in. 

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Dundee Friday.

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I love them, and really want another pair in brown. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif








I hope you fine gentlemen have a great weekend!
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Originally Posted by moleman462 View Post


My bleecker streets do the same thing. I had an 11e that was pinching my pinky toes so went to an 11.5e which feel better. But both sizes had that wrinkle, though not as extensive as yours. Sorry I don't have any advice, but you're not alone.

Do you have a low instep? I think that might be my problem. A lot of my bluchers have pretty close eye stays when I lace them tight enough.

so I know there will be some creases on the leather and I'm fine with that, but the one I have just looks ugly. I am not sure if that's how the dress chukka boots are , as I've no experience with those.

I have a normal instep, but the shoe had empty space between my foot and the tongue of the shoe. Based on what @JSO1 suggested, I am gonna try 9.5E and see if that helps. I really love the design of this shoe.

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Originally Posted by CMT1 View Post

Dundee Friday.

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I love them, and really want another pair in brown. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif








I hope you fine gentlemen have a great weekend!
Ah....so you DID buy them!
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I bought a pair of AE Kingsleys off the 'bay. I'm generally not a fan of the split toe, but I like the slightly different design of these. Does anyone else have experience with the Kingsley?
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Originally Posted by mreams99 View Post

I bought a pair of AE Kingsleys off the 'bay. I'm generally not a fan of the split toe, but I like the slightly different design of these. Does anyone else have experience with the Kingsley?

Nope never saw them and what is weird I just an AE monks trap nst too..personally not a fan of the nst monk combo but it looked pretty good
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Originally Posted by peppercorn78 View Post

Ah....so you DID buy them!

I did. I poured over too many photos to turn back. I try to kick, man, but they just keep calling me!
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Originally Posted by Gabru View Post

Need some advice on this peculiar issue with the new Bleecker street. it's on the right shoe at the base of the tongue .
I tried 2 different pair but both had the same issue . The shoe fits well though I think there is some extra volume in there (9.5EEE) but can't figure out the real issue. This could have been my first dressier chukka..

Any help is appreciated-

Your instep is too high for that shoe, that is the problem.
post #53919 of 70737
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Originally Posted by jayjules View Post
 

Mike, Thanks for the reply. Yes, they're first quality, they were shipped direct from AE and cost $275 before tax. The split reverse welt on the other shoe lines up perfect, which made me notice it on the one shown. The broguing holes connecting was the first thing in noticed when I took them out, and I just feel underwhelmed with them because of the lack of attention to detail. They do have a very nice soft leather and I love the style. Not sure if I should send them back or accept them. Thanks again, JJ

That should be a second. I would tell them and send pictures first. They may offer to give them to you as a factory 2nd price. If not I would send them back and ask for another pair. 

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Originally Posted by peppercorn78 View Post

Mike, I know your General thing is shell, but do you own any alden calf? The alden thread is mainly focused on shell, suede, and CXL.

How would you say that the finishing compares to AE?

I know they are priced similar to Carmina and Church's, a little cheaper than CJ...

Pepper, I have two pairs with Calfskin shoes. One is from their cape cod collection and the other is a saddle with grain calf and color 8 shell. So it's kind of hard to compare. I am generically under the impression that their calfskin is not worth the $200 price increase. I also have a pair of Edward Green's in calf and those are quite exquisite in terms of material and attention to detail. If they are worth the price of 3 AEs are very hard to argue.

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Dundee Friday.

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I love them, and really want another pair in brown. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif






I hope you fine gentlemen have a great weekend!

CMT,

Those are terrific. Great job in cleaning them up.

-Mike
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Originally Posted by SkySaw View Post
 


AE shoes are definitely the sweet spot in the market for me. I really enjoy the style and fit, and the prices don't make me feel like I am stealing from my children's future. However, I can't help but think that the constant proliferation of new styles and the enormous variety they offer hurts their ability to produce higher quality products. There are other ways to drive sales, and there are a limited number of people who are willing to have shoe closets of more than a dozen or so pairs (myself included).

 

As many people point out here, 95% of men seem to have have no idea that their shoes are hideous, and hard on their feet and bodies.  I wish AE would focus on getting new sales by focusing on that 95%; helping this huge group of potential customers to understand what they need to buy to build a nice collection, and how a pair of good shoes makes their entire outfit look better, makes them feel better, are more comfortable, and will last 5 times longer than the shoes they are currently wearing. Some more information around what is a good first shoe, and a good half-dozen pairs of shoes, and why. I don't think many of us on this forum would benefit much from this kind of intro help, but when I hear that Ae's most popular shoe is the walnut strand, it's fairly clear that most newcomers are not sure how to go about buying AE shoes to match their wardrobe. 

 

A management commitment to doubling down on quality would certainly drive more purchasing from me than a new line of shoes at this point.

 

 

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When you guys mention ball of the foot measurement, what is it you are looking for? When I first got fit, we measured brannock size, but then tried shoes till I found some I liked. Turned out 1/2 size larger than brannock was great. Can't say we paid particular attention to any ball issues...

 



I try to get the widest part of my foot into the wide part of the shoe. So standing up and feeling along the edge of the leather and seeing where my foot is compared to the shoe. If that makes any sense. I can tell my 12D 65 Last shoes are to long and the 11.5D length is more appropriate. The 12D is still ok though. Width I just go by feel.

The Brannock is a good starting point. But not everyones toes are the same length. So it can give a bit of a false measurement in a sense if you look at it that way. However its probably very minute. Trying on as many sizes as possible in a given last is probably the best bet though.

 

 

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Originally Posted by mimo View Post
 

^^ Wise words.

 

There are so many discussions about "creasing in the wrong place", confusion of toe cap and toe box, and so many pics of shoes where the problem is simply that they don't fit.  Where the shoe creases will always depend on where your toes are, and if it's in the wrong place, they're the wrong shoes!

 

Of course half of my shoes don't fit properly.  Seriously.  But then I know this from knowing more and more about what shoes and fit can and should be.  And there is always a limit with ready to wear shoes, so we all set our own standards for how bad they can fit and still be near enough, I suppose.

 

 

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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post
 

A brannock device can't account for instep. A shoe might be wide enough and long enough, but if the instep is too high and your foot is sliding forward and not sitting correctly in the shoe then none of that matters.


When you are measuring for size the brannock device is just a guide to the size range that may work for you. The width it gives is only the width across the foot and doesn't factor in the overall volume of the foot, so the styles and the last shape can cause a variance in what size you need. 

 

You also need to look at both the length of the foot in the shoe as well as the heel to ball length (it is a little slider on the brannock), which is actually more important to match up, because you can be different sizes in overall length from heel to ball length. You need the overall length to fit your foot in the shoe, but once that fits comfortably, you need to match up the heel to ball as close as possible so the shoe and foot bend at the same location. That is where your big toe joint (1st Metatarsal-Phalangeal Joint) is, which should be the widest part of the shoe, just past your arch. 

That will help the fit and can help decrease the amount of weird creasing.

 

You can't control all factors of creasing, because that factors in foot volume filling up the shoe, leather type, etc. There are too many factors to stop it completely, but the better the fit you have, generally the less severe creasing you get within shoes of the same style and leather. 

 

A lot of width really comes down to comfort. Some people are one width by measurement but really feel more comfortable in another width. If it feels tight, just go up a width to try it out and if it feels a bit too wide, you can add tongue pads, heel pads, extra or thicker socks, etc. I would do those things because if they stay too wide, you feet can slide around in them and get weird creasing because you can't fill up the shoe volume. If they are too tight, you can start to develop foot problems or aggravate ones that you may not have noticed that you have. I have had quite a few patients aggravate preexisting disorders from tight shoes. In the end, width comes down to a bit of a game of back and forth until you find the happy medium. 

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Originally Posted by donkeyhoatie View Post
 

I'm wearing them today at work (casual Friday and snow on the ground). Pardon the poor fluorescent lighting. Also, you can see the creasing of the CXL, which I understand is just its nature. Or, maybe I'm just not quite wearing the right size. Regardless, the boot is incredibly comfortable and works perfectly as a winter boot for me. I feel like the color has darkened a bit since I got these back in October. Not much, just a touch. But, my mind could be playing tricks on me. The only thing I've done is a few brushings and hit it with leather lotion once.

 


I love the shade with the CXL. It has a robust character with an elegant shade. 

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Originally Posted by lemmy127 View Post


While I largely agree with you, I've got a few minor quibbles...

1. I think they should resolve to have one model of every common style of shoe. They currently don't, despite having duplicates of some.
Cases in point, they don't have a shortwing blucher, saddle shoe that isn't for golfing, Alt Wein, or a captoe boot that is business/business casual appropriate.
Meanwhile, they have 3 models of longwing bluchers, 7 split-toe bluchers, 5 chukkas, 5 wingtip balmorals, 3 bit loafers, and 4 kiltie tassel loafers (4 too many in my book).

2. I don't think you can get those 95% of guys to buy AE. Even the DR shoes' prices are going to make them scoff. Not many men are willing to drop more than $75 on a pair of shoes, so convincing them that an aesthetically defective shoe is worth two-three times that price, and their QC-passing brethren are worth four-five times that price is pretty damn difficult, if not impossible. Not to mention that if they don't realize their black pleather bicycle toe loafer with an athletic shoe sole is ugly as sin and not remotely close to formal, what's going to convince them otherwise without a genuine interest on their own part?


It is a shame, but very true. It is tough to educate people on proper shoes. They don't understand style vs fashion and have no idea on quality. They go by the name of a brand that they know makes other fashion items and figure that everyone will wear things like them with curving square toes and the like. When they see the price tag, they don't know about the refurbishing that can keep them going for such a long time, the comfort factor, etc. There aren't enough stores that carry welted shoes, so unless they go to a Nordstrom or other upper level stores, they won't even have sales people that can explain that some shoes aren't glued and thrown out every year. 

Unfortunately most people don't read style blogs or are members of forums like us. They buy all clothing and accessories based on names that they know from stores or hear about on TV through advertisements. 

Most don't even know what a cobbler is, or that people actually polish shoes.

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Originally Posted by random-adam View Post


Hear, hear! I only own a pair of Wilberts because they are literally the only rubber-soled shoe AE stocks in my width, and I was too cheap back in the day to consider MTO.


They actually do make some in your width that they have at the shoe bank. I have checked and even ordered some, since we are around the same size. If I remember correctly you are a 14AA right? 

They make a couple of pairs a year in 14A, 14AA, 14AAA, 15A, 15AA, and even 15AAA (what i wear in the 7 last). There are only a few, but it is worth checking. I tried a pair of Bellevues (1 last) that they had in stock in that size range, and it looked great too. Sometimes you can be lucky. 

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Originally Posted by peppercorn78 View Post

LOL. I've had similar conversations with SAs at Crockett and Jones. You can't blame the company for the behavior of overzealous salesmen. I still have yet to actually buy my first pair of Alden's, but I'm very close to doing so, and some people I've spoken to have been quite nice. And they do make really nice shoes.

But of course, no one tops AE's customer support! Even if I do find often that I'm more knowledgable about the shoes than most SAs wink.gif


Agreed! Great customer service for AE. I call them when ever i need something, because they are knowledgable and will do whatever they can to help. If they can't they get you someone who can.

 

I deal with quite a few of the other brands (Crockett and Jones, Alden, etc) too and they are superior in overall quality, but each brand has its own style and price point. C&J is typical English with a more fitting and speak style. Alden is bulkier but works for people who enjoy those styles. They are even sturdier than AE, but heavier too. AE is the best bargain of the group if you can find a last and size that works for you. In the end when comparing them all, you need a good fit and some people can only wear certain brands for those reasons.

 

I like each brand for different types of styles and they all have special orders available. Alden is the most difficult to deal with and you must order through a retailer that will carry the type of style that you want. C& J has a MTO where you can basically decide on everything, but the price jumps to about $1000. AE is the most reasonably priced with a $50 upgrade fee for MTO and extra fees depending on how much you modify. I would suggest doing this in a store or over the phone. Not online because there are not many options. Even Nordstrom can do the custom orders.

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