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I think that Paul and the AE management team are doing a lot of great things (for example, the number of ways through which customers can buy AE shoes; and the great customer service level of many of the SAs), but their treatment of the SF MTO program is a misstep. The MTO program did a couple of really good things; first, and most importantly, it was an incredibly useful source of information for AE about its core customers’ interests. AE’s design department could have been making much better use of the MTO program in terms of deciding what can reasonably be done, and what new directions customers want to go. Secondly, the MTO program gets long-term customers thinking about how they can move forward with their own collection in a way that leads to much deeper knowledge about the AE line of shoes and leathers, and that usually results in future non-discounted sales. Which brings me to my other point about AE missteps…


I once heard Paul mention in a video interview (that I cannot find now) that you can’t grow market share selling $350 shoes, which is why AE developed the line of shoes made in the DR. This, and the fact that AE is trying to get into clothing and other accessories scares me into thinking that AE is either deviating from or not fully aware of its value proposition and the core resources that support it. AE offers great fitting, incredibly comfortable, long-lasting, aesthetically pleasing, American made shoes at a reasonable price. Cheap shoes, huge variety, or unstructured sport coats and chinos won’t bring more customers out of their Cole Haans and Hugo Boss shoes to AE. There are very few competitors in the market that AE’s value proposition serves, and as its core market, AE should be working to grow that expanding market aggressively rather than moving into lower-price markets. AE should be doubling down on the skills of the employees who make the shoes. By the increased resources AE has been pouring into developing a market for its own 2nds, it does not look like that is what AE is doing. The Shoebank is great, but look at the enormity of the selection - that would scare the crap out of me if I was senior management!

 

Furthermore, as a big fan of AE shoes, I was happy at one time to get a pair of Longbranch boots at a $50 discount from their retail price (so, I happily paid $300). Now that I have purchased several pairs of shoes from the Shoebank for $150, I can’t imagine paying $385 for a pair of AEs unless they are an MTO. So, the huge selection and availability of nearly perfect shoes for @ $150 has destroyed some of AEs original value proposition for me (and I’m sure for other AE fans). I believe that AE could solve this by reducing the huge number of styles that they produce and the amount of churn in their selection (for example, why on earth do I have to MTO a pair of burgundy Macneils when I can just order this clearly esoteric style directly off the website) 

 

 

 Decide on the core styles, offer a good selection of colours, welts, edges, and soles on those core styles, and focus on training and keeping employees who can produce them more reliably. Rather than investing resources in selling shirts and key chains, and looking to technological automation to reduce production errors, give employees (and customers) a clear understanding of what AE is all about, hire employees who can demonstrate the ability to work to exacting standards and reward them consistently for quality work, and don’t overburden the manufacturing process with novelty styles so that employees lack the resources to perform consistently high quality work. Rather than looking to bring the low-end of the market to AE through products or pricing, they should be looking to take existing customers up-market. AE should be offering employees a career path that includes woking on elite production lines - the independence line is a great move in that direction, and the MTO program could be moving in that direction as well.

 

Cancelling the SF MTO program appears to have been a spreadsheet-based decision that ignores the informational benefits. I hope AE stays close to its core value proposition, and I hope they come out with a brown grain Macneil with a dainite sole for Fall (‘cause I was about to MTO one).    

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I have head on this thread that AE is using laser cutting for all of it's patterns now, since when has this been going on? I could have sworn that they use to hand select & cut all of their patterns...
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This doesn't get a lot of love here as much as the Long Branch, but here in southeast Asia where it rains like every other day I'll be glad for the wedge harrier rubber soles on these
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While browsing I found this.

Club Monaco is now carrying AE'S

http://www.clubmonaco.ca/family/index.jsp?categoryId=23316536&cp=12266410.12280843.23316536

I wonder how long it will be until they start selling at 40% off like the Rancourts.
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I wonder how long it will be until they start selling at 40% off like the Rancourts.

Well if you click on the shoes on their site alot of the sizes are already sold out. Someone posted on another forum that perhaps Club Monaco is trying to capture their target audience (young + urban professional) as they become older and more sophisticated in taste
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Finally had some time to take a few photos. Unfortunately my apartment has poor lighting, but I tried my best to get accurate colors of the shell. To reiterate what everyone has already said, walnut shell is amazing! I was on the fence until I saw them in person and tried them on. Couldn't pass them up. Even my girlfriend who thinks I have too many shoes insisted I get these after seeing them on my feet. 

 

In case someone on this thread is interested, Pelle Line actually had TWO pairs of these in 9.5D, meaning there is one pair still left. Regarding fit, I'm actually a 9D in the 1 last, but for the most part, these actually fit pretty well except the right heel which is slightly big. I paid $600 total (no shoe tax in NJ yes!) for these which I considered a steal since the burgundy shells currently go for $725, and I'd have to pay sales tax in NY. 

 

Now for the photos....

 

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Burgundy Dalton vs Walnut Dalton 

 

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This doesn't get a lot of love here as much as the Long Branch, but here in southeast Asia where it rains like every other day I'll be glad for the wedge harrier rubber soles on these Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Are these the stock Carson City or an MTO? These look really great and I love the laces. 

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Are these the stock Carson City or an MTO? These look really great and I love the laces. 

Thanks NWTeal! These are just stock Carson City boots in Cayenne.

I'm loving those shell Daltons!
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Opinions, please.

 

I bought a pair of black cordovan Leeds a short while back, but have never gotten around to wearing them. I've been thinking on it the past few days, and I really don't see myself wearing them for any occasion, really. That being said, I'm considering exchanging them for another pair of shells, particularly brown Park Aves. What do you guys think? Keep the Leeds or exchange them? And, if exchange them, would brown Park Aves be a solid choice? I've already got brown shell Strands, burgundy shell MacNeils, burgundy shell Leeds and burgundy shell Cambridges. I'm not much of a monk strap guy, and my instep makes it near impossible to get a decent fit on AE loafers. 

 

Thanks in advance. 

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Opinions, please.

I bought a pair of black cordovan Leeds a short while back, but have never gotten around to wearing them. I've been thinking on it the past few days, and I really don't see myself wearing them for any occasion, really. That being said, I'm considering exchanging them for another pair of shells, particularly brown Park Aves. What do you guys think? Keep the Leeds or exchange them? And, if exchange them, would brown Park Aves be a solid choice? I've already got brown shell Strands, burgundy shell MacNeils, burgundy shell Leeds and burgundy shell Cambridges. I'm not much of a monk strap guy, and my instep makes it near impossible to get a decent fit on AE loafers. 

Thanks in advance. 

I would exchange for brown or black Park aves if you want balmorals. I think a black Leeds doesn't make sense being a casual shoe with a more casual leather in a formal color. You already have the burgundy shell Leeds so you're covered there. Also brown PAs and brown strands are pretty different shoes.

My other suggestion would be to take a look at the shell Dundees in burgundy or brown shell.
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Opinions, please.

I bought a pair of black cordovan Leeds a short while back, but have never gotten around to wearing them. I've been thinking on it the past few days, and I really don't see myself wearing them for any occasion, really. That being said, I'm considering exchanging them for another pair of shells, particularly brown Park Aves. What do you guys think? Keep the Leeds or exchange them? And, if exchange them, would brown Park Aves be a solid choice? I've already got brown shell Strands, burgundy shell MacNeils, burgundy shell Leeds and burgundy shell Cambridges. I'm not much of a monk strap guy, and my instep makes it near impossible to get a decent fit on AE loafers. 

Thanks in advance. 

I would exchange for brown or black Park aves if you want balmorals. I think a black Leeds doesn't make sense being a casual shoe with a more casual leather in a formal color. You already have the burgundy shell Leeds so you're covered there. Also brown PAs and brown strands are pretty different shoes.

My other suggestion would be to take a look at the shell Dundees in burgundy or brown shell.

 

This, especially if you like the fit of the Leeds (Dundee is on the same last).  Seeing as how you already have so much burgundy shell, you should probably look to the brown.

 

Since you already have the Strand and the Cambridge, I don't think you need another bal, unless you just have to have a PA for more formal occasions.

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This, especially if you like the fit of the Leeds (Dundee is on the same last).  Seeing as how you already have so much burgundy shell, you should probably look to the brown.

 

Since you already have the Strand and the Cambridge, I don't think you need another bal, unless you just have to have a PA for more formal occasions.

 

+1 for the dundee. But the dundee tends to fit wider than the leeds (i.e. the leeds fits slightly narrower than other 1 last shoes), so you might have to go down a width for them (especially if the leeds already feels roomy to you!)


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+1 for brown shell Dundee

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Originally Posted by Trader George View Post

Opinions, please.

I bought a pair of black cordovan Leeds a short while back, but have never gotten around to wearing them. I've been thinking on it the past few days, and I really don't see myself wearing them for any occasion, really. That being said, I'm considering exchanging them for another pair of shells, particularly brown Park Aves. What do you guys think? Keep the Leeds or exchange them? And, if exchange them, would brown Park Aves be a solid choice? I've already got brown shell Strands, burgundy shell MacNeils, burgundy shell Leeds and burgundy shell Cambridges. I'm not much of a monk strap guy, and my instep makes it near impossible to get a decent fit on AE loafers. 

Thanks in advance. 

I would exchange for brown or black Park aves if you want balmorals. I think a black Leeds doesn't make sense being a casual shoe with a more casual leather in a formal color. You already have the burgundy shell Leeds so you're covered there. Also brown PAs and brown strands are pretty different shoes.

My other suggestion would be to take a look at the shell Dundees in burgundy or brown shell.

Not sure I follow this logic.  How is shell cordovan a casual leather?  Also, while a blucher is traditionally seen as a casual shoe, there are many that will wear it with suits, blazers and ties, and business/business casual... especially if it's a plain toe and black.  That's really for the individual to decide.  IMHO, there is absolutely nothing wrong or nonsensical about a black shell PTB (Leeds).  If the black shell Leeds isn't formal enough for you to wear, I'd go with black shell Park Av or even black shell Fifth Av.  You've got some nice brown/burgundy bals already.

 

If you feel like the Black shell Leeds isn't casual enough, I like the brown shell dundee suggestion (or brown shell Leeds).

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Finally had some time to take a few photos. Unfortunately my apartment has poor lighting, but I tried my best to get accurate colors of the shell. To reiterate what everyone has already said, walnut shell is amazing! I was on the fence until I saw them in person and tried them on. Couldn't pass them up. Even my girlfriend who thinks I have too many shoes insisted I get these after seeing them on my feet. 

In case someone on this thread is interested, Pelle Line actually had TWO pairs of these in 9.5D, meaning there is one pair still left. Regarding fit, I'm actually a 9D in the 1 last, but for the most part, these actually fit pretty well except the right heel which is slightly big. I paid $600 total (no shoe tax in NJ yes!) for these which I considered a steal since the burgundy shells currently go for $725, and I'd have to pay sales tax in NY. 

Now for the photos....

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Burgundy Dalton vs Walnut Dalton 



Very nice, what kind of sole does the Walnut Dalton have?
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