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Pics of the hot girl?
She won't sign the release, tjyoung; something about breach of contract... I don't know... LMAO

Until then... ROCKING MY OLIVE MOKS SANS SOCKS:


Just for the record, can I wear a balmoral with jeans??? Apparently the only way to post pics now is if you are holding fast to the stodgy conventions of 'classic' men's style.

I always thought an expression of style would include a marriage between those understood conventions and a sense of your 'personality' exhibited in your wardrobe choices... Nope. Not so.

I don't think there is any one thing that has UNIVERSAL appeal (save food, water and sleep), and with something as subjective as fashion, I would assume this is even more so. Good bless our detractors...they serve to give us pause and reflection.
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You know, I wasn't trying to be explicitly rude or mean, but I can see how it would be interpreted this way. That is certainly why I added the clause that said explicitly I wasn't trying to be harsh.

 

That said, I did read the initial comment as sort of a jab considering I have been sounding this horn a lot recently in this thread.

 

Finally, I have a bit of a peeve concerning the idea of people just wearing what they want in spite of advice or urging to do otherwise a la "I'm gonna rock this anyways." The "rules" if you want to call them that are there for a reason and generally following them is a good idea. I am actually FOR the breaking of the rules in a tasteful and knowledgeable manner, but it seems that people just want to say "forget the rules, they're old and archaic, I'll dress how I want." If you do that before you bother to learn what rules you are breaking, the chances of your entire outfit failing increase exponentially. It may not have been intended that way, but I read OP's comment in this sense. Frankly, he did not break the rule well otherwise I would have given my kudos.

 

Finally, I would just like to say that I have learned an immense amount of knowledge about dressing well and combinations etc. since joining this forum. That said, I see a distinct lack of that sort of knowledge that I have come to enjoy and appreciate in THIS thread. This thread is like it's own little bubble, completely ignorant it seems to the standards that are so defended elsewhere on this forum. People may see that as a good or a bad thing, I personally feel that it's bad, as we have a ton of people in here buying excellent quality shoes without a clue about what to wear with them (this isn't true of everyone in here ofc, but I feel that a good percentage are in this category). Now, when I noticed this, I did explicitly ask about providing feedback, and everyone gave me the green light.

 

Ultimately, I like AE, I like dressing well, and I feel that I can offer some of the information and advice that I have accumulated. However, this thread is a little different animal than the majority of SF and I recognize that. I almost unsubscribed this morning and if people would rather not have me around I will leave, no problem. Just know however, I am not trying to be mean for the sake of being mean, but I actually just want to offer help and see people improve.

 

 

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Luv2bereformed:  I think context will help explain the bubble that this thread can be.  For whatever reason, it seems the majority of SF newbies start out by deciding they need new shoes and end up on this thread where they are directed to purchase a few core AE's that always get recommended (Strands, Daltons, Park Avenues, McAllisters, etc.).  The newbs likes to share pictures of their new kicks and start planning their next purchases when there are sales on seconds.  A community forms.  Some share pictures of their new AE's on other SF threads (Recent Purchases or Rock Your Socks) and cannot understand why others outside this thread are not as supportive and thrilled with the purchase, which causes them to retreat to the bubble that is this thread.

 

This thread and its emphasis on seconds sales is the gateway drug to SF.  Some are casual users and never venture beyond this thread.  Some start feeling the itch to try something new and then move on to other threads on SF, such as C&J, Meermin or Carmina, and ask what size they shoud wear if they are a 10E in the AE 5 last.  Some realize that other parts of their look could use some work and venture out into the cold reality that is found on other threads on this forum and begin the journey that you and others have gone on.

 

This is a thread where virtually no one posts pictures on WAYWRN, the Good Taste Thread or other threads that focus on the rules and what works and does not work.  So, you inevitably get posts such as:  one poster recommending that walnut daltons go great with black slacks; another poster sharing a picture of himself in a black suit with a black shirt and red tie; numerous posters sporting their new balmoral kicks with jeans or casual slacks; and other things that would make regular posters cringe in other SF threads.  The aggravating factor for you is that, unlike other threads, many on this thread are not looking for advice on their looks and not interested in learning the rules.  They just want to be told how nice their new AE's look, share tips on how to care for their new shoes and get the inside information on current sales and promotions. Granted, this is not true for everyone on this thread, but responses like Indyoshi's are pretty par for the course in this thread.

 

It is what it is.  One tradeoff is that there is a real community on this thread with a camraderie amongst posters that puts most other threads to shame.  There is also a refreshing lack of snark and skirmishes.  There are also some individuals in this thread who I suspect are very sharp dressers, but simply choose not to post pictures.  For what it's worth, I hope you stick around and post pictures of shoes, socks and slacks that present your viewpoint on how things should be done.  Some will ignore it, but others will appreciate it.

 

 

 

:worship:  Quite possibly the best written post I've ever seen in this thread.

 

Edit:  @tifosi, you beat me to it!

post #43293 of 70737
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Originally Posted by tjyoung View Post

Pics of the hot girl?
She won't sign the release, tjyoung; something about breach of contract... I don't know... LMAO

Until then... ROCKING MY OLIVE MOKS SANS SOCKS: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Just for the record, can I wear a balmoral with jeans???

 

I intend to wear my Neumoks with shorts this summer  :nest:  so I think denim is ok. 

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Just for the record, can I wear a balmoral with jeans??? Apparently the only way to post pics now is if you are holding fast to the stodgy conventions of 'classic' men's style.

Well, I do, and I think it's fine. Be aware that it's a bold, deliberate clash -- commonly done these days, but not really a classic pairing.

 

To the point being discussed in a broader sense: you don't have to dress in accordance with tradition, but really, if you like tailored clothing, you ought to learn what it means and what it's for, so you can communicate with it -- even if you choose to dress in a way which is less than 100% traditional.

 

EDIT: Of course, on a shoe like the Neumok, the casual shoe cues (the material, welt, and arguably the last) outweigh the formality of a balmoral wingtip, so that it's much more at home with jeans. But I happen to like tan calf bals with jeans -- it's a great look for days when I want people to notice that I have nice shoes.

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Love my Olive Neumocs and of course throwing out the fact I have no fashion....I would not pair green and blue which just goes back to my former art career.... :) Of course I do not own a single pair of denim pants so take my opinion and throw it to the curb.

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Luv2bereformed:  I think context will help explain the bubble that this thread can be.  For whatever reason, it seems the majority of SF newbies start out by deciding they need new shoes and end up on this thread where they are directed to purchase a few core AE's that always get recommended (Strands, Daltons, Park Avenues, McAllisters, etc.).  The newbs likes to share pictures of their new kicks and start planning their next purchases when there are sales on seconds.  A community forms.  Some share pictures of their new AE's on other SF threads (Recent Purchases or Rock Your Socks) and cannot understand why others outside this thread are not as supportive and thrilled with the purchase, which causes them to retreat to the bubble that is this thread.

 

This thread and its emphasis on seconds sales is the gateway drug to SF.  Some are casual users and never venture beyond this thread.  Some start feeling the itch to try something new and then move on to other threads on SF, such as C&J, Meermin or Carmina, and ask what size they shoud wear if they are a 10E in the AE 5 last.  Some realize that other parts of their look could use some work and venture out into the cold reality that is found on other threads on this forum and begin the journey that you and others have gone on.

 

This is a thread where virtually no one posts pictures on WAYWRN, the Good Taste Thread or other threads that focus on the rules and what works and does not work.  So, you inevitably get posts such as:  one poster recommending that walnut daltons go great with black slacks; another poster sharing a picture of himself in a black suit with a black shirt and red tie; numerous posters sporting their new balmoral kicks with jeans or casual slacks; and other things that would make regular posters cringe in other SF threads.  The aggravating factor for you is that, unlike other threads, many on this thread are not looking for advice on their looks and not interested in learning the rules.  They just want to be told how nice their new AE's look, share tips on how to care for their new shoes and get the inside information on current sales and promotions. Granted, this is not true for everyone on this thread, but responses like Indyoshi's are pretty par for the course in this thread.

 

It is what it is.  One tradeoff is that there is a real community on this thread with a camraderie amongst posters that puts most other threads to shame.  There is also a refreshing lack of snark and skirmishes.  There are also some individuals in this thread who I suspect are very sharp dressers, but simply choose not to post pictures.  For what it's worth, I hope you stick around and post pictures of shoes, socks and slacks that present your viewpoint on how things should be done.  Some will ignore it, but others will appreciate it.

 

You described my SF journey to a T. I joined to learn about AE and Alden. Still buying shoes from both but am now picking up Vass, C&J, and EG as well. I never heard of any of those makers until I found this forum. My wardrobe still needs serious work (as those on other threads have pointed out), but I love coming to this community for the sense of camaraderie you describe...not to mention the heads up on great deals and MTOs. Thanks for taking the time to post such a well-reasoned post. 

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I love the shoe snobs here looking down on those who do not or cannot fill their closet with Edward green, vass, etc. I guess everyone at SF has $1M+ in net assets and pulls in 250K+ annually...

Or do we just like to buy things we can't afford?

Everyone would prefer to wear crocket and jones, green, vass, or whatever. The simple truth is AEs are fine shoes priced at 1/2 to 1/4 the level for comparable 'firsts'. They can't really be compared to the top-end of shoes because they are a lot cheaper and different in style (i.e., 360 welt vs. 270 welt vs. overpriced Italian blake crap)

It would be like comparing a high quality suit from Corneliani or Canali ("entry level top end", low name value but very well made) to Kiton.

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Luv2bereformed:  I think context will help explain the bubble that this thread can be.  For whatever reason, it seems the majority of SF newbies start out by deciding they need new shoes and end up on this thread where they are directed to purchase a few core AE's that always get recommended (Strands, Daltons, Park Avenues, McAllisters, etc.).  The newbs likes to share pictures of their new kicks and start planning their next purchases when there are sales on seconds.  A community forms.  Some share pictures of their new AE's on other SF threads (Recent Purchases or Rock Your Socks) and cannot understand why others outside this thread are not as supportive and thrilled with the purchase, which causes them to retreat to the bubble that is this thread.

This thread and its emphasis on seconds sales is the gateway drug to SF.  Some are casual users and never venture beyond this thread.  Some start feeling the itch to try something new and then move on to other threads on SF, such as C&J, Meermin or Carmina, and ask what size they shoud wear if they are a 10E in the AE 5 last.  Some realize that other parts of their look could use some work and venture out into the cold reality that is found on other threads on this forum and begin the journey that you and others have gone on.

This is a thread where virtually no one posts pictures on WAYWRN, the Good Taste Thread or other threads that focus on the rules and what works and does not work.  So, you inevitably get posts such as:  one poster recommending that walnut daltons go great with black slacks; another poster sharing a picture of himself in a black suit with a black shirt and red tie; numerous posters sporting their new balmoral kicks with jeans or casual slacks; and other things that would make regular posters cringe in other SF threads.  The aggravating factor for you is that, unlike other threads, many on this thread are not looking for advice on their looks and not interested in learning the rules.  They just want to be told how nice their new AE's look, share tips on how to care for their new shoes and get the inside information on current sales and promotions. Granted, this is not true for everyone on this thread, but responses like Indyoshi's are pretty par for the course in this thread.

It is what it is.  One tradeoff is that there is a real community on this thread with a camraderie amongst posters that puts most other threads to shame.  There is also a refreshing lack of snark and skirmishes.  There are also some individuals in this thread who I suspect are very sharp dressers, but simply choose not to post pictures.  For what it's worth, I hope you stick around and post pictures of shoes, socks and slacks that present your viewpoint on how things should be done.  Some will ignore it, but others will appreciate it.

NewShoes1, I couldn't have said it better myself.

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Light bulb. It just went on. Thank you kindly good sir.

I hope none of this deters you from voicing your honest opinion. I love this thread for the way everyone is so cordial to one another, but I also appreciate constructive criticism and differing views. As NewShoes1 says, people can decide to take or leave the advice; as long it's done with good intentions, we all benefit.
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I love the shoe snobs here looking down on those who do not or cannot fill their closet with Edward green, vass, etc. I guess everyone at SF has $1M+ in net assets and pulls in 250K+ annually...

Or do we just like to buy things we can't afford?

Everyone would prefer to wear crocket and jones, green, vass, or whatever. The simple truth is AEs are fine shoes priced at 1/2 to 1/4 the level for comparable 'firsts'. They can't really be compared to the top-end of shoes because they are a lot cheaper and different in style (i.e., 360 welt vs. 270 welt vs. overpriced Italian blake crap)

It would be like comparing a high quality suit from Corneliani or Canali ("entry level top end", low name value but very well made) to Kiton.

I don't think anyone ever mentioned price or maker in this thread. It was purely a style based discussion. Sorry.
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I don't think anyone ever mentioned price or maker in this thread. It was purely a style based discussion. Sorry.

They can't really be compared to the top-end of shoes because they are a lot cheaper and different in style (i.e., 360 welt vs. 270 welt vs. overpriced Italian blake crap)

It would be like comparing a high quality suit from Corneliani or Canali ("entry level top end", low name value but very well made) to Kiton.

You also know in my suit analogy, products from corneliani and canali are dissimilar (to the perceptive enthusiast) to unstructured neopolitan style...

reading is hard sometimes
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I need help sizing AE loafers guys. I measured a 10 d at an AE store, but my left foot is more like 9.5 d. I'm thinking I should go down half a size to 9.5 d. 

 

Please let me know your experiences with loafer sizing. THANKS!

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They can't really be compared to the top-end of shoes because they are a lot cheaper and different in style (i.e., 360 welt vs. 270 welt vs. overpriced Italian blake crap)

It would be like comparing a high quality suit from Corneliani or Canali ("entry level top end", low name value but very well made) to Kiton.

You also know in my suit analogy, products from corneliani and canali are dissimilar (to the perceptive enthusiast) to unstructured neopolitan style...

reading is hard sometimes
Spoilered for obnoxious large text.

Maybe you should use the QUOTE function in your replies from now on if it doesn't directly relate to the current discussion. I'm not going to go back 4 pages to see what you are referring to. I'm assuming it is in reference to the current discussion.
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 I personally have enjoyed reading the back-and-forth the last couple of days. I honestly have no clue what the "rules" are, but I would like to learn. Then, once I've learned, I'd like to break all at once (OK...not all of them). That's just who I am though.

 

luv2breformed, I appreciate your posts, and as a previous poster said, I hope none of this deters you from sharing your honest opinion.  On that note, where do you recommend are the best places for me to learn the 'rules' so I can learn how to break them the right way?

 

Also just want to throw out there that I appreciate all of the other posters out there especially Indy, GOP, (1/2)^3, Kahuna, Pepper, Pastor, tif, dubs, NewShoes, etc., etc., etc., blah blah blah. Everyone brings their own taste and they all blend into what is this forum.

 

Half, I have already worn my Neumoks with shorts this year and have visual evidence. Debating about posting right now to get this pot stirring even faster...

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I personally have enjoyed reading the back-and-forth the last couple of days. I honestly have no clue what the "rules" are, but I would like to learn. Then, once I've learned, I'd like to break all at once (OK...not all of them). That's just who I am though.

luv2breformed, I appreciate your posts, and as a previous poster said, I hope none of this deters you from sharing your honest opinion. 
 On that note, where do you recommend are the best places for me to learn the 'rules' so I can learn how to break them the right way?

Also just want to throw out there that I appreciate all of the other posters out there especially Indy, GOP, (1/2)^3, Kahuna, Pepper, Pastor, tif, dubs, NewShoes, etc., etc., etc., blah blah blah. Everyone brings their own taste and they all blend into what is this forum.

Half, I have already worn my Neumoks with shorts this year and have visual evidence. Debating about posting right now to get this pot stirring even faster...

I was once like you, worried about following the rules. And although I do follow them to an extent, I wouldn't worry too much about breaking them. Heck I swear my strands with chino's from time to time and to ME (important) they look just fine. To others maybe it doesn't go or they think it's not formal etc etc.

I love this thread because everyone is here to help and lend a hand when you ask for advice, i've always had a positive experience here. Stay around fellow SF
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Luv2bereformed:  I think context will help explain the bubble that this thread can be.  For whatever reason, it seems the majority of SF newbies start out by deciding they need new shoes and end up on this thread where they are directed to purchase a few core AE's that always get recommended (Strands, Daltons, Park Avenues, McAllisters, etc.).  The newbs likes to share pictures of their new kicks and start planning their next purchases when there are sales on seconds.  A community forms.  Some share pictures of their new AE's on other SF threads (Recent Purchases or Rock Your Socks) and cannot understand why others outside this thread are not as supportive and thrilled with the purchase, which causes them to retreat to the bubble that is this thread.

 

This thread and its emphasis on seconds sales is the gateway drug to SF.  Some are casual users and never venture beyond this thread.  Some start feeling the itch to try something new and then move on to other threads on SF, such as C&J, Meermin or Carmina, and ask what size they shoud wear if they are a 10E in the AE 5 last.  Some realize that other parts of their look could use some work and venture out into the cold reality that is found on other threads on this forum and begin the journey that you and others have gone on.

 

This is a thread where virtually no one posts pictures on WAYWRN, the Good Taste Thread or other threads that focus on the rules and what works and does not work.  So, you inevitably get posts such as:  one poster recommending that walnut daltons go great with black slacks; another poster sharing a picture of himself in a black suit with a black shirt and red tie; numerous posters sporting their new balmoral kicks with jeans or casual slacks; and other things that would make regular posters cringe in other SF threads.  The aggravating factor for you is that, unlike other threads, many on this thread are not looking for advice on their looks and not interested in learning the rules.  They just want to be told how nice their new AE's look, share tips on how to care for their new shoes and get the inside information on current sales and promotions. Granted, this is not true for everyone on this thread, but responses like Indyoshi's are pretty par for the course in this thread.

 

It is what it is.  One tradeoff is that there is a real community on this thread with a camraderie amongst posters that puts most other threads to shame.  There is also a refreshing lack of snark and skirmishes.  There are also some individuals in this thread who I suspect are very sharp dressers, but simply choose not to post pictures.  For what it's worth, I hope you stick around and post pictures of shoes, socks and slacks that present your viewpoint on how things should be done.  Some will ignore it, but others will appreciate it.

 

 

You described my SF journey to a T. I joined to learn about AE and Alden. Still buying shoes from both but am now picking up Vass, C&J, and EG as well. I never heard of any of those makers until I found this forum. My wardrobe still needs serious work (as those on other threads have pointed out), but I love coming to this community for the sense of camaraderie you describe...not to mention the heads up on great deals and MTOs. Thanks for taking the time to post such a well-reasoned post. 

 

If you haven't checked out Carmina yet, be sure to do so.  E.g., their shell is Horween and the same price as AE's when you buy direct off their website, and it achieves a level of fit and finish that AE just can't match.  (That said, I have many more pairs of AE than I do of Carmina - different shoes for different occasions.)

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