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Originally Posted by kentyman View Post

Speaking of those burgundy shell Daltons (and of great deals, since they were seconds for only $300), I was hoping some AE shell experts could help me out.

I've found that the more I brush them, the worse they seem to look. In particular, there are tiny dry pin-size dots that appear. I can feel them if I run my finger over it. For some reason it seems to occur more with this brand new AE brush I have than this other Saphir brush I own. Any thoughts on what's going on? Here are a couple photos. You'll notice in one that the shell almost looks scratched from the brushing.




 

Originally Posted by sqroot3 View Post


I've had this happen with new Alden shell and, to some extent, my shell Leeds. I find that the shell gets much more resistant to brush marks and those pinpoint light-colored pinheads over the first several wears. Not quite sure why--maybe oxidation or aging of the finish as it's exposed to more air? In any case, you don't need to go crazy on the brushing the first few wears--try again in a week and see if it's any better. Keep us posted...

I have found the same thing happening with mine. Until recently, I have only used the Mac method. I have started using venetian shoe cream on my shell, and it helps immensely. Also, for my burgundy shell Daltons, they had been brushed so much they were starting to get a dry look to them. I bought some AE Cordovan Creme (I know, many here are not fans) and applied it. The first time I wore the Daltons after that I had multiple comments on my boots. 

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Originally Posted by JezeC View Post
 

If I push my foot all the way to the front of the shoe, is my shoe too loose if there is about one finger separation in the back?  

 

See point #7 here: http://www.theshoesnobblog.com/2014/01/things-to-know-about-shoes-part-1-the-first-10.html

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I asked this a while back but never received much of a response: Is there a major difference between the visual aesthetic of the calf merlot leather and the shell burgundy? 

 

From what I have gathered, the physical differences in the leathers are basically:

a) one comes from a cow, the other a horse's ass

b) one is expensive, the other is more expensive

c) the shell tends to have more natural shine to it

d) the calf tends to breathe easier, is better for hot climates

e) the shell tends to crease easier

 

But besides these differences, is the shade of the merlot much different than the burgundy?

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Originally Posted by GOP Shoe Guy View Post

I have found the same thing happening with mine. Until recently, I have only used the Mac method. I have started using venetian shoe cream on my shell, and it helps immensely. Also, for my burgundy shell Daltons, they had been brushed so much they were starting to get a dry look to them. I bought some AE Cordovan Creme (I know, many here are not fans) and applied it. The first time I wore the Daltons after that I had multiple comments on my boots. 

FWIW, I've tried reno, saphir cordovan cream, venetian, AE cordovan cream, deer bone and Alden leather defender on a number of my AE shells.

I find that AE cream actually does a good job giving it a luster compared to everything else except Alden Leather Defender. The leather defender is amazing at leaving a glow/shine after some buffing. It's weird, I know but I apply it every few months for water protection and it really seems to bring some life into the shell.
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Edit: Response to BobStrauss

Actually shell won't wrinkle or crease in the same way as calf. It "ripples" and (to me at least) is much more aesthetically pleasing. It's also very tough - I would consider it to be considerably more durable than calf. Scrapes and scratches which might destroy a calf shoe / boot can sometimes be completely removed using the correct method with cordovan. Many people also wouldn't worry about getting caught in the rain in cordovan - it tends to be easy to maintain.
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Originally Posted by BobStrauss View Post

I asked this a while back but never received much of a response: Is there a major difference between the visual aesthetic of the calf merlot leather and the shell burgundy? 

From what I have gathered, the physical differences in the leathers are basically:
a) one comes from a cow, the other a horse's ass
b) one is expensive, the other is more expensive
c) the shell tends to have more natural shine to it
d) the calf tends to breathe easier, is better for hot climates
e) the shell tends to crease easier

But besides these differences, is the shade of the merlot much different than the burgundy?

Shell tends to get rolls, while calf creases. Some shell doesn't actually roll as much, which I find to be the case for shoes with a toe cap or wing on it.

I think AE calf merlot, calf burgundy, and shell burgundy will all look different initially and continue to develop some color over time.

There are definitely pictures on this thread and a quick google image search with "styleforum" in the search should be helpful to see some "in the wild pictures".
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Originally Posted by NWTeal View Post

Shell tends to get rolls, while calf creases. Some shell doesn't actually roll as much, which I find to be the case for shoes with a toe cap or wing on it.

I think AE calf merlot, calf burgundy, and shell burgundy will all look different initially and continue to develop some color over time.

There are definitely pictures on this thread and a quick google image search with "styleforum" in the search should be helpful to see some "in the wild pictures".

Yes, these are all very true and I do recommend looking at pics.

Calf gets little wrinkles in the skin and there really isn't much you can do to combat them. Shell gets rolls or what I call creases at the flex points. But they are much larger.

The care of Shell is different. Since Shell is much denser leather and due to its 6 month tanage process, it tends to need less care. Simply brushing and buffing takes care of it with occasional product.

Shell also, due to its tighter pore structure tends to be shinier as others have mentioned.

Shell is more durable, thus it can last for decades with just simple care. Calf will last for years, but not decades (with regular use). Finally, Shell is known for developing a patina or having the color enriched over time due to wear and sun exposure.

I love Shell if you can't tell. :-)

-Mike
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Originally Posted by BobStrauss View Post
 

I asked this a while back but never received much of a response: Is there a major difference between the visual aesthetic of the calf merlot leather and the shell burgundy? 

 

From what I have gathered, the physical differences in the leathers are basically:

a) one comes from a cow, the other a horse's ass

b) one is expensive, the other is more expensive

c) the shell tends to have more natural shine to it

d) the calf tends to breathe easier, is better for hot climates

e) the shell tends to crease easier

 

But besides these differences, is the shade of the merlot much different than the burgundy?

 

I would say that your point e), is not really the case. Shell develops "rolls", instead of the hairline creases we're all familiar with in our calf shoes. In my experience, its not quick to develop rolls/creases for me either. After about 20 wears, my shell dalton's look almost new, and I wear them hard (pouring rain, knee deep snow, doesn't matter).

 

In reference to color difference, I have had burgundy shell and merlot calf, and would say they are very very similar in color. The burgundy shell is a little less consistent, and a little bit deeper in color (read variant). Shell is very dense, and is thus, hard to apply a consistent color too. This makes shell somewhat varying in color on a micro-scale (throughout the same shoe) where as calf can be much more uniform in color throughout the shoe. If I had to choose between the two, burgundy shell, for all applications, with pretty much no exceptions. The only problem with shell, is that once you get some, you want more... A lot more.

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Originally Posted by Nakedsnake View Post
 

 

I would say that your point e), is not really the case. Shell develops "rolls", instead of the hairline creases we're all familiar with in our calf shoes. In my experience, its not quick to develop rolls/creases for me either. After about 20 wears, my shell dalton's look almost new, and I wear them hard (pouring rain, knee deep snow, doesn't matter).

 

In reference to color difference, I have had burgundy shell and merlot calf, and would say they are very very similar in color. The burgundy shell is a little less consistent, and a little bit deeper in color (read variant). Shell is very dense, and is thus, hard to apply a consistent color too. This makes shell somewhat varying in color on a micro-scale (throughout the same shoe) where as calf can be much more uniform in color throughout the shoe. If I had to choose between the two, burgundy shell, for all applications, with pretty much no exceptions. The only problem with shell, is that once you get some, you want more... A lot more.

 

 

Thanks! This is exactly what I wanted to know. 

 

Also interesting to read about this "roll" phenomenon. 

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Originally Posted by NWTeal View Post


FWIW, I've tried reno, saphir cordovan cream, venetian, AE cordovan cream, deer bone and Alden leather defender on a number of my AE shells.

I find that AE cream actually does a good job giving it a luster compared to everything else except Alden Leather Defender. The leather defender is amazing at leaving a glow/shine after some buffing. It's weird, I know but I apply it every few months for water protection and it really seems to bring some life into the shell.

I didn't mention Renomat, saphir cream or the deer bone in my initial post, but I too have tried all of them. The saphir cream worked pretty good, but not as well as the Venetian or AE cream. The AE cream did give the nicest shine of any of them. After applying the AE Cream a good buffing with a cloth does the trick to bring about a wonderful shine.

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Originally Posted by bespoken pa View Post

Snuff suede clifton, red danite boom! Or the golden cxl with black danite....or...awe s#@! Budget blown.

I am think suede Amok with red Dainite or...
Burgundy shell patriot or Leeds with natural welt and red Dainite...
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Originally Posted by rydenfan View Post


I am think suede Amok with red Dainite or...
Burgundy shell patriot or Leeds with natural welt and red Dainite...

I am thinking Natural CXL MacNeil with natural welt and red Dainite.

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Sweet! I think a Leeds would look great as well
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I would love to see that McNeil. I feel like adding options is am awesome way to keep the mto options fresh. I regret not getting the McNeil in Walnut Cordovan. GOPs make up was bananas.
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Those of you with poron insoles, is there a notice difference in comfort? Does the independence insole vary in fit compared to the standard leather insoles.
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