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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post
 

 

300+ dollars for shoes is not cheap...Some of the seconds sales like the 2 for 250 etc are probably getting there though.

 

I don't think you understand how a normal distribution works.

AE as a brand is definitely like 1.5-2 standard deviations above the average dress shoe. The cheapest goodyear welted dress shoe I've found is made by johnston and murphy. It's entry level to the high end stuff. It's a tiny skinny tail from there on. If you look at the population of shoe wearing people or even dress shoe wearing people, then this is where they would probably fall.

 

This might help.

 

 

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I agree. Out of everyone I see at work (and I travel to multiple client sites and have worked in two large cities), I will likely see maybe one person wearing what I would bet are goodyear welted. Everyone else is wearing square toed or beat up black loafers/derbies. 

 

Also, Carminas are currently 325 euros for the cheapest pair and for the most part 340 or 400 plus euros. Converted to USD thats over 430 for the cheapest pair. It's not fair to compare. 

 

Edit: I assume the VAT deduction would bring 340 euros down to be around $400 USD, more comparable. Likely better compared to the independence collection or aldens at that range though. 

post #32057 of 70737
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post
 

 

300+ dollars for shoes is not cheap...Some of the seconds sales like the 2 for 250 etc are probably getting there though.

 

I don't think you understand how a normal distribution works.

AE as a brand is definitely like 1.5-2 standard deviations above the average dress shoe. The cheapest goodyear welted dress shoe I've found is made by johnston and murphy. It's entry level to the high end stuff. It's a tiny skinny tail from there on. If you look at the population of shoe wearing people or even dress shoe wearing people, then this is where they would probably fall.

 

This might help.

 

If you think of the Gaussian distribution (aka Normal) as representing the continuum of quality Goodyear welted shoes, AE is 2 standard deviations below the mean, which will probably be some UK-made shoes, like Trickers or C&J. 

P.S. Trust me on the distribution thing, I have a doctorate in statistics :) 

post #32058 of 70737
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Originally Posted by BobStrauss View Post
 

 

 

Well actually, I'd rarely wear them with jeans, only in more formal settings. Mostly they'll be used with chinos at work. 

 

How casual would bourbon Mcallisters be? I think I'd prefer the look of them long term, and they seem to get MUCH better reviews than the Kenilworths. 

McAllister as a balmoral is probably too formal for jeans and casual chinos. They are best worn with pressed trousers I think. 

 

A larchmont or kenilworth would be good. The last and squared toe of the larchmont makes it a little bit more formal IMO as well. Kenilworth or MacNeils are probably the better choice. People have some bowing issues with the Kenilworth which is why I'd guess the reviews are a little negative. Make sure to get fitted. 

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I wear walnut McAllisters with jeans and chinos all the time. They look great and totally appropriate.
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Freshly polished. Not bad, getting better at it...
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Originally Posted by wdahab View Post


If the color doesn't get closer after some applications of whatever treatments you use, there isn't really that much you can do but wait. Shell changes color over time, and there are going to be enough variations in the shells over time, especially if you end up really wearing them as boots, that the color variation will go away.

Also, for people who don't like the cap toe placement, I can say that the pics are from an awkward angle for the cap. From other angles, the cap looks a lot nicer, actually very well placed (though you might still not like the toe shape of the W1K, which is an acquired taste.

Thank you, ddahab. This was pretty much my hunch as well. With so much variation in color on a shell, this is not something I should really worry about, but other things equal, it would be nice not to have this variation at the outset. This said, I went ahead and mailed them to Nick V. at B.Nelson. I hope he will be able to offer his help.

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Originally Posted by salgy View Post

Drcharlie, mind sharing who the cobblers were with a fellow memphian?

The place that charged $17 for plastic heel and toe taps (and made me come back the next day for them) was in the Kroger Plaza at Bartlett Blvd and Stage Road in Bartlett. I think their name is Bartlett Shoe Repair.

The other one is Cobblestone in a plaza off Sanderlin in East Memphis, it is behind a Fox & Hound. I was told you could get toe/heel taps done while you wait--the price was substantially cheaper than the one in Bartlett. At Cobblestone, it was $20 for a Goodyear brand rubber half sole and heel taps. It may have been about $15 for the Goodyear half soles and $5 for the heel taps. They did a good job-much better than I could ever imagine doing myself.
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Originally Posted by SBear View Post

I see it because you pointed it out. If it will bother you then definitely return them. I agree with the previous 'wabi sabi' posts and I would like them all the more for showing just a hint of unique character and not being machine made.

I'm going to keep them and I know no one will notice but wanted to make sure for firsts people found it acceptable. Thanks and they are really nice looking overall.
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Originally Posted by BobStrauss View Post

 

Well actually, I'd rarely wear them with jeans, only in more formal settings. Mostly they'll be used with chinos at work. 

 

How casual would bourbon Mcallisters be? I think I'd prefer the look of them long term, and they seem to get MUCH better reviews than the Kenilworths. 

 

Wingtip balmorals like the McAllister can be pretty dressy. I've worn my Strands (captoe balmoral) with jeans and I like the look, but it's not exactly standard. I really like my (burgundy shell) Kenilworths with jeans, and would highly recommend them. Don't let the reviews bother you too much.

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Originally Posted by tampatravel View Post

Ahhh...so I was just in the security line at Boston Logan when the fella behind me put his boots in the grey trays. They were AEs and I commented on them. Turns out he was Vincenzo from the Shoe Bank in Port Washington. Strange Strange small shoe world we live in.

 

Yes, but which AEs?! Also, did you ask if they were seconds? ;)

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Originally Posted by drcharlie View Post

The place that charged $17 for plastic heel and toe taps (and made me come back the next day for them) was in the Kroger Plaza at Bartlett Blvd and Stage Road in Bartlett. I think their name is Bartlett Shoe Repair.

The other one is Cobblestone in a plaza off Sanderlin in East Memphis, it is behind a Fox & Hound. I was told you could get toe/heel taps done while you wait--the price was substantially cheaper than the one in Bartlett. At Cobblestone, it was $20 for a Goodyear brand rubber half sole and heel taps. It may have been about $15 for the Goodyear half soles and $5 for the heel taps. They did a good job-much better than I could ever imagine doing myself.

Thanks... Another good local guy (albeit also out of the way) is nu life shoe repair off summer & waring
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Originally Posted by cincikid View Post
 

If you think of the Gaussian distribution (aka Normal) as representing the continuum of quality Goodyear welted shoes, AE is 2 standard deviations below the mean, which will probably be some UK-made shoes, like Trickers or C&J. 

P.S. Trust me on the distribution thing, I have a doctorate in statistics :) 

 

Your stat doctorate qualifies you as an expert on shoe brand quality?

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Originally Posted by cincikid View Post
 

If you think of the Gaussian distribution (aka Normal) as representing the continuum of quality Goodyear welted shoes, AE is 2 standard deviations below the mean, which will probably be some UK-made shoes, like Trickers or C&J. 

P.S. Trust me on the distribution thing, I have a doctorate in statistics :) 

 

I didn't say goodyear welted shoes. I said shoes or even formal footwear. My comparison was AE vs average dress shoe. You're redistributing everything in the 1+ SD above the mean for all formal footwear. Maybe even higher.

In your (different) comparison, I might have to agree, though I don't know enough about the more expensive stuff to lend any expertise.

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Originally Posted by md2010 View Post


Wake up buddy. AE is no way near high end. Rather its the cheapest good year welted shoe that are mass produced and readily available. AE position them selves as entry level shoe brand that provides customer with quality shoes at very competitive price point.
Don't get me wrong. I have over 15 pairs of AE. I buy them becos they are cheap and they are ok quality ( finishing in AE shoes are joke).
Carmins offering free shipping right now. So a pair will cost just under $400. Give them a try and you will see what premium leather means and how great the finishing is.

Wake up? What got your panties in a wad? I didn't say they were high end, I said they were high end compared to the dress shoes that most guys buy (in the mind of the average man). Most guys would rather spend their money on things other than shoes. I am not one of those guys, and neither are you...  good for us.  I know Carmina is higher quality than AE, I never said that AE was higher quality than Carmina.

 

I don't know where or what kind of lifestyle you live, but if it is anything like the Average guy's lifestyle you would know that most of us are perfectly fine with $100 dress shoes, and happen to think $350 for a pair of shoes is simply too expensive.

 

I didn't think that saying typical guys view AE's as high end shoes would elicit such a response, and I apologize if my words offended you.

post #32070 of 70737
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Originally Posted by jpjdavid83 View Post
 

I'm really interested in purchasing my first pair of AE. I hope you guys can help me out with some of my questions.

 

1. Is the sizing chart in the AE website accurate? I understand that it will always be best if I go to an actual store but in my case that is not possible since AE is not available locally in my country (Philippines). Based on the chart my shoe size is a 9D.

 

2. I am currently looking at either the Strand or the Mcallister. Any inputs on which I should get first would be highly appreciated. Also since I am a size 9D do I need to size up/down based on these shoe models?

 

3. If I am going to buy second hand shoes, what are the things that I should look/check out for?

 

Thanks.

 

1) My experience is that the sizing chart is accurate, but nothing beats actually fitting the shoes since there are so many other factors that are not measured by the guide (instep, etc.). Also, there are AE shoes in Rustan's, Makati. I believe they have most of the 5-last styles, but I'm just not sure if they stock on the different widths as well.

 

2) I have both and I prefer the styling of the Strand more. The McAllister is a very close second.

 

3) I don't recommend buying second hand shoes especially if it's going to be your first pair. The main reason being you usually can't return pre-owned pairs just because you got the wrong size. Get the size right first and then you can be more adventurous. If you can afford it, just get new pairs -- first or second quality (unless, of course, the style you want is no longer available).

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