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A good friend and I were discussing what others have previously mentioned. Is AE's robust seconds market simply a designed method to sell more shoes. I have seen plenty of seconds that have had less QC issues than firsts.Initially I was against the idea of buying seconds until I was advised my friends whole rotation was comprised of seconds.
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Originally Posted by MoneyWellSpent View Post
 

 

 

I'd venture to say that pretty much everyone who is a regular poster in this thread could be grouped into the "wouldn't pay retail" buyers.  At least, I was considering that a relatively safe bet (give or take a few).  However, there are less than 100 people who are truly regulars.  Of course there are always those who will just read the thread, learn, and take their knowledge with them without actually being an active participant.

 

AE's revenue in 2012 was ~$120 million.  I say we are a pock mark on a wall when it comes to how many shoes they sell annually.

 

I don't think we will ever know for sure, and there's really no way to calculate it.

I'd say that almost anyone who's a regular reader of a thread like this one probably won't pay full retail for the items being discussed. First, you learn about why the product is so expensive. If you buy it, then you stick around. Then, you learn about ways to get it for less. From what I've seen, that's the way that it works in most threads for these types of items.

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We don't have "Uncle" MacArthur here calling everyone nephew, and just page after page of quoted images saying "here's what I'm wearing" and him saying "nice shoes nephew" and them saying "thank you uncle."
 

 

This is the main reason I stopped following the Alden thread. It's been seriously resembling some sort of cult for a lack of a better word.

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This is the main reason I stopped following the Alden thread. It's been seriously resembling some sort of cult for a lack of a better word.

lol, the uncle/nephew thing is 100% creepy. 

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I'd say that almost anyone who's a regular reader of a thread like this one probably won't pay full retail for the items being discussed. First, you learn about why the product is so expensive. If you buy it, then you stick around. Then, you learn about ways to get it for less. From what I've seen, that's the way that it works in most threads for these types of items.

 

 

I don't disagree, but it's impossible to guess how many readers there are.

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A good friend and I were discussing what others have previously mentioned. Is AE's robust seconds market simply a designed method to sell more shoes. I have seen plenty of seconds that have had less QC issues than firsts.Initially I was against the idea of buying seconds until I was advised my friends whole rotation was comprised of seconds.

That's an interesting point. I've got a few pairs of seconds, and all but the first pair (from 2010) look perfect. The first pair that I bought had clearly been tried on, and had some creasing. The last few don't show any signs of ever being outside of the boxes.

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lol, the uncle/nephew thing is 100% creepy. 

 

I also can't stand "wear them in a good health" refrain in nearly all posts.

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I don't disagree, but it's impossible to guess how many readers there are.

 

Unless we've got someone on this thread working for Google :)

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Originally Posted by bespoken pa View Post

A good friend and I were discussing what others have previously mentioned. Is AE's robust seconds market simply a designed method to sell more shoes. I have seen plenty of seconds that have had less QC issues than firsts.Initially I was against the idea of buying seconds until I was advised my friends whole rotation was comprised of seconds.

 

I totally see this point. However, I have bought 5+ pairs of seconds and all of them were visibly of lower quality than the firsts I have

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I totally see this point. However, I have bought 5+ pairs of seconds and all of them were visibly of lower quality than the firsts I have

 

I would second this. I believe that given the AEs' volume, they must have a non-trivial percentage of shoes having a somewhat inferior quality to be sold as firsts. I wonder though, what's the ratio of seconds to firsts in the AE production? Any thoughts?

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I agree AE definitely sells a significant number at full retail.  A SA at the AE store in the Chicago Loop has told me that a large portion of their customers are people traveling or on business for the day that need to buy an emergency pair of shoes or belt.  

 

 

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Good heavens - what are all these people doing to their shoes to need emergency replacements? :D   I have done a good bit of business travel in my day, and have yet to encounter a shoe emergency.

 

 

 

Truth.  I was in the Chicago location off Michigan last night for literally 5-7 minutes just wanting to verify how "bourbon" looked in person.  2 seperate gentlemen were in there on busines both in need of emergency shoe replacement :sly:

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Unless we've got someone on this thread working for Google :)

I wonder how many people working at Google wear dress shoes on a regular basis.

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Well, whether or not the relatively frequent AE sales is good or bad for the brand, apparently the RDA sale is working on me. I had no intention of buying another pair of shoes in the foreseeable future after ordering the Jefferson WebGems last week, but after learning about the RDA sale being able to apply to the SF MTO offer, I thought about what makeup I might want and just now placed an order with Allison. It will be a Mora 2.0 in snuff suede with Dainite sole and wheeling on the welt. Looking forward to seeing how it turns out.

I was just thinking about doing a MTO mora and thought about snuff suede, but was leaning more towards merlot or even chili. I think that would be pretty slick...
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I wonder how many people working at Google wear dress shoes on a regular basis.

 

Good point. There could always be just one outlier. Not many people wear dress shoes at where I work as well.

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There are some things about Alden that are objectively better than AE, and some things that are subjective on both.
 
  • Shell quality wise, well, that's tougher to compare. I like AEs burgundy much much more than Aldens. AE's patinas better and shoes more variations. Alden's is better if you want a darker shell and/or a more consistent shade. My AE's have all sorts of the horse's scars visible, and variations in the color. They also are an odd color if you don't love #8 for #8.

Does anyone have any pictures of the old vs. new AE shell burgundy on shoes that are not brand new?  I don't have an AE shell burgundy but through the posts in this forum find that the old AE burgundy evolves into a bright cherry color.  I find the old AE burgundy very appealing.  In fact, I asked Allison if they can finish a burgundy MTO order with the "old" color.  Unfortuantely she said that they have changed their process and re-creating the "old" would not be possible.  I'm just wondering if the "new" AE finish still transforms into a bright cherry instead of a darker hue which seems to be the logical development of the current finish.

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