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Could you post a side-by-side for comparison?

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I just realized why my shell cordovan shoes smell like ass. Because it is ass!!!!

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Carmina:

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AE's Strand:

 

Allen Edmonds Strand Cap-toe Oxfords 1635 Walnut Calf

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AE's Strand:

 

Allen Edmonds Strand Cap-toe Oxfords 1635 Walnut Calf

Based purely on color, I'd go with the snuff Carmina's all day.

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^^these shoes look so similar that it would probably come down to which color I liked better or which fit better. 

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Curious about others' thoughts on whether to get the new suede strand in AE's brogue suede or Carmina's version in snuff suede.  I think the shoes are fairly comparable and both fit my feet the same.  For me, it comes down to whether I want my one suede balmoral to be snuff suede or AE's brogue suede.  Any thoughts on which will be more versatile?  I can see myself wearing the shoes with gray flannel pants and a blazer in winter and gray and tan pants in Spring/Summer as well as jeans on occasion.  Any thoughts on which color will be most versatile?

Based on the pictures the Carmina look sleeker but a possibly "dressier". The lighter color I would say doesn't work as well in the winter (depending on where you live). The darker AE's are likely more versatile year round.

 

That being said, the Carminas are gorgeous. 

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Part of it too is the last it is built on.

Which last is the carmina built on?

Carmina's lasts are more elegant more often than not compared to AE.
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Has anyone here had issues with the cork beds in new(ish) AE's seemingly breaking down or compacting to an extreme?  I have a pair of Strands which I love, but the last few times I've worn them, it feels like my feet are sliding into the center of the footbeds, and I can feel the outer 'edges' of the sole that covers part of the welting structure (not sure of the name of the piece that runs a half inch or so under the insole).  When I look at them and feel with my hands, there is the half inch or so of 'usual' sole level, then they dramatically dip down to the center of the insole.  A picture here won't show it at all.  I'm wondering if this has been an issue at all?  Has there been cases of not enough cork compacted into the sole, or the cork being inferior density?  I think I've only worn these Strands maybe 8 times.  And no, for those of you wondering, I'm NOT 400lb!  haha.  I'm 6'2", 220lb...nothing extreme (I hope!?).  I'm wondering if my pair are going to be getting a courier ride back to AE?

 

Thanks for your input and experiences...

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Carmina:

 

 

 

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Of those two, Carmina is by far the better value. I've never been impressed with AE's suede--doesn't feel soft and the nap is very thin, and Carmina's lasts are much more refined. That being said, I think the forest last is a clunky with its toe box shape, but that's a matter of taste. An alternative medallion captoe near that price range is C&J Westfield on 341 last, which I think is better than both.

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Has anyone here had issues with the cork beds in new(ish) AE's seemingly breaking down or compacting to an extreme?  I have a pair of Strands which I love, but the last few times I've worn them, it feels like my feet are sliding into the center of the footbeds, and I can feel the outer 'edges' of the sole that covers part of the welting structure (not sure of the name of the piece that runs a half inch or so under the insole).  When I look at them and feel with my hands, there is the half inch or so of 'usual' sole level, then they dramatically dip down to the center of the insole.  A picture here won't show it at all.  I'm wondering if this has been an issue at all?  Has there been cases of not enough cork compacted into the sole, or the cork being inferior density?  I think I've only worn these Strands maybe 8 times.  And no, for those of you wondering, I'm NOT 400lb!  haha.  I'm 6'2", 220lb...nothing extreme (I hope!?).  I'm wondering if my pair are going to be getting a courier ride back to AE?

 

Thanks for your input and experiences...

 

I'm built almost identically to you, and have no such problems with any of my shoes with cork footbeds.  Something is wrong - give AE a call.

 

Edit: after reading MWS' extremely well written reply below, I agree with him.  If they are comfortable, keep them, if they are uncomfortable have AE fix it for you.  

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Has anyone here had issues with the cork beds in new(ish) AE's seemingly breaking down or compacting to an extreme?  I have a pair of Strands which I love, but the last few times I've worn them, it feels like my feet are sliding into the center of the footbeds, and I can feel the outer 'edges' of the sole that covers part of the welting structure (not sure of the name of the piece that runs a half inch or so under the insole).  When I look at them and feel with my hands, there is the half inch or so of 'usual' sole level, then they dramatically dip down to the center of the insole.  A picture here won't show it at all.  I'm wondering if this has been an issue at all?  Has there been cases of not enough cork compacted into the sole, or the cork being inferior density?  I think I've only worn these Strands maybe 8 times.  And no, for those of you wondering, I'm NOT 400lb!  haha.  I'm 6'2", 220lb...nothing extreme (I hope!?).  I'm wondering if my pair are going to be getting a courier ride back to AE?

 

Thanks for your input and experiences...

 

You are seeing evidence of the canvas gemming underneath the insole.  Allen Edmonds calls it "Plyrib Tape", but it's the same thing.  It's what the welt, upper, and insole are all fastened to.   As for the insole collapsing on some shoes more than others, this is possible.  Especially if they didn't put enough cork in.  If there is room for the cork to move around much, it will obviously migrate away from the pressure points (hence the molding characteristics that are considered "desirable" in Goodyear-welted shoes).  Ideally it would be full enough to just compact under pressure, but not have room to migrate.  The cork layer isn't more than about 5mm thick, and it is primarily present to serve as a void filler.  If your shoes aren't uncomfortable, I wouldn't worry about it.     

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^^these shoes look so similar that it would probably come down to which color I liked better or which fit better. 

 

Agreed, and the difference in cost is only $50, absent a sale.  For me, it comes down to which color I want.

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Part of it too is the last it is built on.

Which last is the carmina built on?

Carmina's lasts are more elegant more often than not compared to AE.

 

This shoe is on the Forest last, which I find to be very similar to AE's 5 last.  The Forest last is slightly sleeker than the 5 last, but I'm not really focused on that point for a suede shoe.

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Of those two, Carmina is by far the better value. I've never been impressed with AE's suede--doesn't feel soft and the nap is very thin, and Carmina's lasts are much more refined. That being said, I think the forest last is a little with its toe box shape, but that's a matter of taste. An alternative medallion captoe near that price range is C&J Westfield on 341 last, which I think is better than both.

 

I love the Westfield, but C&J does not fit my wide foot as well as the Forest last does.

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NewShoes, I think the only reasonable thing to do is to get both cool.gif

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I love the Westfield, but C&J does not fit my wide foot as well as the Forest last does.

Ah I see. In that case, I'd go with the Carmina. Channeled soles, much more buttery suede, better last. I also think snuff/polo suede is the best color for suede: really accentuates the texture of it and is dark enough to wear year round. Fall/Winter is also the season of tweeds, with which snuff will shine. 

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