Do you find the patriot snug when sizing the same as the strands? My patriots are tight all over except width I would need to wear a thin sock for it to help the tightness. I'm wondering if it is just this particular pair.
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Allen Edmonds Appreciation Thread - reviews, pictures, sizing, etc... - Page 1609post #24121 of 707376/28/13 at 11:59ampost #24122 of 707376/28/13 at 12:21pmQuote:
Your picture suggests you sized up in length to get the width to fit, with the end result being a shoe that is too long for you. Sizing up in length to get the width to fit is rarely a good idea for the reasons your picture indicates. Better off going with an E width or a shoe on a different last. The Players are on the very narrow 2 last, which does not work for many.post #24123 of 707376/28/13 at 12:30pmQuote:
Are they cordovan or calfskin? My 9D cordovans were very tight in the vamp (I'm a spot on 9D with the Park Avenue). Calfskin will stretch out over time but cordovan is a bit trickier. I thought I was doomed because I had worn my patriots about 30 times (I have burgundy and black cordovan) and they were still really tight even though they should have been broken in. I didn't trust the local cobbler that I go to to stretch them out (because cordovan splits so easily), so I went to Nordstrom Rack and picked up a size of L shoe trees. They filled out the toe box just enough so that my shell patriots are ULTRA comfortable now. I think storing shoes will shoes trees that are large is a good and safe option for getting a little extra space out of those loafers.post #24124 of 707376/28/13 at 12:34pmpost #24125 of 707376/28/13 at 12:53pmQuote:Originally Posted by deeselcyde
Is the creasing normal on the design part of the toe? The 2 LAST description on the website says elongated toe. These are 10.5 D's. I tried the 10's and they felt way too tight for me. These are comfortable but the crease kind of pinches my toes.Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)Quote:Quote:Originally Posted by New Shoes1
Your picture suggests you sized up in length to get the width to fit, with the end result being a shoe that is too long for you. Sizing up in length to get the width to fit is rarely a good idea for the reasons your picture indicates. Better off going with an E width or a shoe on a different last. The Players are on the very narrow 2 last, which does not work for many.
I would generally agree with the above. The #2 last is exceptionally narrow. I never did find a size that worked for me. What part of your toe does the crease dig in to?post #24126 of 707376/28/13 at 1:02pmpost #24127 of 707376/28/13 at 1:12pmQuote:
They turned out really well, Congrats! I am liking that walnut shell belt, nice touch.post #24128 of 707376/28/13 at 1:21pmQuote:Originally Posted by tampatravel
If you happen to be near Winter Haven, FL, Andy Thornal & Co. Is a great place to shop! One of a kind men's store that reminds me how Abercrombie & Fitch used to be before they were bought out by The Limited.
Thanks fr coming down to Florida and spending you hard earned money down here!
Thanks for taking the time to post this and also to the OP for asking. Next weekend I am in Buffalo then leave to spend a week in Winter Haven to spend time with my mother who is recovering from a major stroke. All these years I had no idea that Andy Thornal & Co. even existed! Now if I can get out of the store with a normal size bag and not pick up another double shotgun or fly rod I will be doing well.post #24129 of 707376/28/13 at 1:22pmpost #24130 of 707376/28/13 at 1:26pmQuote:Originally Posted by fiestaplatypus
Can anyone mention their respective sizes in the Patriot Loafers (or any other loafers) relative to their size in a few other lasts, including a common 5-last shoe like the PA or Strand? I have a couple dozen AE's in all (in addition to some Carminas and Aldens, incluing an LHS) and have been fitted numerous times for various lasts, but I have not yet found a loafer that will fit me from AE. In fairness, I have not yet been fitted for this new last.
I fear that my wide toes and normal / narrow (relative to toebox) heels make me an impossible fit for most AE loafers, but I wanted to see if any others have overcome a situation like this. In addition, I frequently have to go with shoes on the higher end of my size range (since a 12.5E is an uncommonly stocked size), so the instep becomes an additional problem, as my foot is frequenly sitting further back in the shoe, away from the tounge. This is fine for oxfords, but becomes a huge concern for loafers. I'd prefer to avoid tounge pads for a shoe that will frequently be worn on hot days. I have a 12E Dornoch that doesn't fit all that well, as my foot sits too far back from the tounge. I commonly wear a 13D on the 5 and 1 lasts. Others have varied, based on the shoe.
Any ideas? So far, the Alden LHS on the Van last in a 12E has been my best option. Thoe toebox is great, the heel slips slighly (but I have yet to break it in so this may not be a real problem).
I have the burgundy and brown shell Patriots in 10D which is my normal size on the 5 last and also 1 last. The patriot is the first loafer to ever fit me without my heel coming out of the shoe. My foot is much like yours and in addition a very low volume foot. I wear my superfeet inserts in them and the fit is just about perfect for me. If you have a low to mid volume foot I think they are certainly worth a try.post #24131 of 707376/28/13 at 1:42pmpost #24132 of 707376/28/13 at 2:24pmQuote:
The further most crease digs into the bottom of my big toe nail. I called my local Nordstrom's and they have a 10 in stock right now so I'm going to go in after work and try those on. These 10.5s feel like they've definitely stretched out quite a bit, so maybe I can hope for the same with the 10's.post #24133 of 707376/28/13 at 2:45pmpost #24134 of 707376/28/13 at 2:45pmQuote:Originally Posted by JermynStreet
Are they cordovan or calfskin? My 9D cordovans were very tight in the vamp (I'm a spot on 9D with the Park Avenue). Calfskin will stretch out over time but cordovan is a bit trickier. I thought I was doomed because I had worn my patriots about 30 times (I have burgundy and black cordovan) and they were still really tight even though they should have been broken in. I didn't trust the local cobbler that I go to to stretch them out (because cordovan splits so easily), so I went to Nordstrom Rack and picked up a size of L shoe trees. They filled out the toe box just enough so that my shell patriots are ULTRA comfortable now. I think storing shoes will shoes trees that are large is a good and safe option for getting a little extra space out of those loafers.
They are calf. I also have a 10E patriot calf. It fits somewhat lose with thin socks but medium and loafer socks the fit is great. My only concern is if I go with the 10E that it may get even more lose once broken in.post #24135 of 707376/28/13 at 2:54pmQuote:Originally Posted by deeselcyde
The further most crease digs into the bottom of my big toe nail. I called my local Nordstrom's and they have a 10 in stock right now so I'm going to go in after work and try those on. These 10.5s feel like they've definitely stretched out quite a bit, so maybe I can hope for the same with the 10's.
ehhh, I don't know deeselcyde. Again, I think it depends on if it was the width that bothered you about the 10's. If so, it's not a good idea to buy shoes with the hope that they stretch out.
The 2-Last is generally tricky. I'd strongly recommend trying to get the 10's in E rather than trying to make the D work.
All that said, if you get the 10D's and they are tight, you could always stretch them with Meltonian and a stretcher, but I keep thinking that it makes more sense to find the E. Either way, good luck.
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