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A follow-up on this saga for anyone interested...

I received my second pair of black Park Avenues from the Jville store today, and they too have slight but nonetheless bothersome gaping. This is now my third pair in a row of brand-new, direct from AE Park Avenues that suffer from gaping. I'm rather peeved at this point, and frankly I'm ready to give up on Allen Edmonds altogether. I'm happy with my pair of brown Fifth Avenues that don't gape (and proves this isn't an issue of improper fit or my foot not being compatible with the last), but 0 for 3 on Park Aves is ridiculous. This isn't what I had in mind when deciding to drop some serious money on what is supposed to be the premier American-made men's shoe. It's rather unfortunate, because I otherwise really like the design and quality of the Park Avenue and many other shoes in the Allen Edmonds product line.

Mr. Grangaard, if you're still reading this thread, I encourage you to take care of the problem of gaping/bowing around the ankles once and for all, as you're about to lose me as a customer because of it. I normally wouldn't bother appealing directly to a CEO over such a matter, but you seem to genuinely care about complete customer satisfaction and perfection in quality of your product, which I really appreciate. I know I am not alone in the sentiment that this seemingly trivial issue ruins the otherwise beautiful look of your shoes. It's a shame, too, as I had my eye on quite a few of the shoes in AE's lineup to eventually add to my wardrobe. But if it's going to take 3+ tries to get a pair free of this construction defect every time I buy a new pair of AE shoes, then forget it. In my mind, part of the appeal of purchasing quality products such as Allen Edmonds shoes is knowing that it's going to be right the first time, every time. Not 25% of the time, which has been my experience.

I made one more request to Monica at the Jville store for another exchange, though I know by now she's probably frustrated with me. If this fourth pair of Park Avenues has the gaping issue, I'll disappointingly start looking elsewhere to fill my need for a black captoe oxford. Perhaps Meermin, Andrew Lock, or maybe I'll even make the leap to Alden. They seem to be able to make shoes that don't gape... shog[1].gif

So in yet another installment of this saga...

I tried on my third pair of Park Avenues again tonight, the ones I complained about so vehemently in the post above. To my pleasant surprise, the gaping doesn't seem as bad as when I first received the shoes and tried them on, oddly enough. There is still a slight amount of bowing evident when I'm standing, but none when I'm sitting. At this point--after the fuss I made initially--I'm tempted to live with this pair as-is, especially as these are seemingly flawless seconds that I got for a great deal at $215, and I'm optimistic that after some time in shoe trees, the bowing issue will further alleviate itself. Here are some pics, the first one taken while standing-up, the second while sitting down:




What do the resident SF Allen Edmonds experts say? Is this slight amount of bowing acceptable? The shoes fit great, feel great, and look great, even despite the very slight amount of gaping, which I don't think anyone else will notice but me anyway. I think I've convinced myself to just be happy with these and move on, but I'm open to other opinions. smile.gif
Edited by Flyswatter - 4/14/13 at 4:50pm
post #18752 of 70737
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So in yet another installment of this saga...

I tried on my third pair of Park Avenues again tonight, the ones I complained about so vehemently in the post above. To my pleasant surprise, the gaping doesn't seem as bad as when I first received the shoes and tried them on, oddly enough. There is still a slight amount of bowing evident when I'm standing, but none when I'm sitting. At this point--after the fuss I made initially--I'm tempted to live with this pair as-is, especially as these are seemingly flawless seconds that I got for a great deal at $215, and I'm optimistic that after some time in shoe trees, the bowing issue will further alleviate itself. Here are some pics, the first one taken while standing-up, the second while sitting down:




What do the resident SF Allen Edmonds experts say? Is this slight amount of bowing acceptable? The shoes fit great, feel great, and look great, even despite the very slight amount of gaping, which I don't think anyone else will notice but me anyway. I think I've convinced myself to just be happy with these and move on, but I'm open to other opinions. smile.gif

I think they look good.  I say keep them.

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Thought I would post a few pics of my shoes. The darker brown/chili shoe is To Boot. The rest are AE. 
Black McAllister, Walnut McClain, Burnished Walnut Rutledge.

Give me your Rutledges!!!!
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This will be my first picture post on the AE appreciation thread! 

 

Summer has arrived in Napoli so for lunch today I wore linen and my AE Hamptons:

 

AppleMark

Socks are from Gammarelli in Rome- Pope socks! 

 

AppleMark

 

AppleMark

 

Of course my 2 year old son stepped right on the white part, so I'm getting out the cleaning kit.

 

Have a blessed Sunday everyone!

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Originally Posted by Calder View Post

Equally, sometimes you want a casual shoe, but your outfit calls for a black shoe. Thus, Black Brogues.
My first pair of shell cordovan shoes were some black Leeds that I picked up NOS on eBay for a steal. I wasn't sure what I'd do with them -- but they've since become my go-to shoe for anything involving dark denim. I'm not sure I could pull that off with a brogued closed-laced shoe.

I'm not saying that black McAllisters are useless; simply that there's no place for them in my own quiver. I'd love to see an outfit involving them done up properly. With a peak-lapel suit in a festive evening setting, maybe?

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This will be my first picture post on the AE appreciation thread!  Warning: Summer in Italy! (Click to show)



AppleMark

Socks are from Gammarelli in Rome- Pope socks! 

AppleMark


AppleMark


Of course my 2 year old son stepped right on the white part, so I'm getting out the cleaning kit.

Have a blessed Sunday everyone!

Some part of me delights in quintessential American spectators knocking around the Mediterranean on a beautiful sunny day. Nice photos!
post #18756 of 70737
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Originally Posted by Flyswatter View Post

So in yet another installment of this saga...

I tried on my third pair of Park Avenues again tonight, the ones I complained about so vehemently in the post above. To my pleasant surprise, the gaping doesn't seem as bad as when I first received the shoes and tried them on, oddly enough. There is still a slight amount of bowing evident when I'm standing, but none when I'm sitting. At this point--after the fuss I made initially--I'm tempted to live with this pair as-is, especially as these are seemingly flawless seconds that I got for a great deal at $215, and I'm optimistic that after some time in shoe trees, the bowing issue will further alleviate itself. Here are some pics, the first one taken while standing-up, the second while sitting down:




What do the resident SF Allen Edmonds experts say? Is this slight amount of bowing acceptable? The shoes fit great, feel great, and look great, even despite the very slight amount of gaping, which I don't think anyone else will notice but me anyway. I think I've convinced myself to just be happy with these and move on, but I'm open to other opinions. smile.gif

Those Park Avenues aren't gaping much at all. I'd keep them. No one is going to notice and you'll forget about it after a while. I'd just send the ladies at the Jville store a thank you card for sending you so many alternatives.
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Originally Posted by Cold Iron View Post

I agree with the others, so make that X3 for the merlot McAllister. I think it would fit in perfectly with your current collection plus it is an American classic IMO.

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Perhaps it's my own mental shortcoming, but I could never figure out why shoes any more brogued than the Fifth Avenue's punched toecap are available in black. To me black is formal and simple and austere. If I were in your situation I'd pick up the merlot for its versatility and to complement all the punchwork on the shoe.

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Originally Posted by Flyswatter View Post

+1. A black shoe with excessive brogueing--such as the McAllister or Strand--seems rather contradictory. In my mind, black should be reserved for rather formal shoes, while brogueing is a more casual element.

Thanks for the comments. Merlot sounds like the good, classic way to go.
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My first pair of shell cordovan shoes were some black Leeds that I picked up NOS on eBay for a steal. I wasn't sure what I'd do with them -- but they've since become my go-to shoe for anything involving dark denim. I'm not sure I could pull that off with a brogued closed-laced shoe.

I'm not saying that black McAllisters are useless; simply that there's no place for them in my own quiver. I'd love to see an outfit involving them done up properly. With a peak-lapel suit in a festive evening setting, maybe?

 

- I just purchased the McTavish to fit this slot.  I usually wear brown with jeans but yes, sometimes an outfit calls for a casual black. 

 

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Some part of me delights in quintessential American spectators knocking around the Mediterranean on a beautiful sunny day. Nice photos!

    - Thank you sir!   Plenty of odd looks from the locals - but they are still wearing coats.  It's like 75 today. 

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I am thinking of picking up a pair of Shell Cordovan Black Park Aves. I have 17 pairs of AEs, and no Park Aves. I understand that during the 91st Anniversary Sale, the calf park Aves will be on sale for $219. Any thoughts from anyone that has a pair of the shell on what I should go with?

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I just came over here looking for info @ some shoes im interested in and i find you guys messing around with SHELL CORDOVAN . Do you guys have any idea how dangerous that stuff is ! You can never have enough . If you fret about spending $300 on shoes now you aint seen nothing. Mess with that stuff and you'll find yourself dropping $750 a pop and you'll be looking at another pair you gotta have while they'r still in the mail Dont take my word for it. Go lurk around the alden thread . Those poor guys got problems . Not only is the stuff outrageously priced .Its hard to find . Just when you realize you cant live without that pair of color4 captoe boots w/commando soles you find they'r all sold out and the manufacturer dosen't when if ever they will ever be made again . This is no way to live . You just stay away from that stuff you be a lot happier and certainly a lot wealthier . Dont say you wern't warned

rotflmao.gif This is one of the funnier posts I've read on SF, I think it's craking me up mostly because it is way too true for me. Luckily I pulled the trigger on my #4 unicorn before they got out of the sights.
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I am a 9.5D on the Barrie and a 10D on the #1 last the Townley is on. Besides being an AE you can actually return it if it doesn't fit, just wear them inside first to make sure that they do fit. And you better sit down for this... AE will pay the return shipping. If I were you I'd call them first thing in the morning when they open. Looks like they open at noon on Sunday EST. 216-591-0344

Thank you for the sizing advise, and also thank you to the original poster of the PSA. Just bought my first pair of AE's looking forward to seeing how they stack up to my other shoes.
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This will be my first picture post on the AE appreciation thread! 

 

Summer has arrived in Napoli so for lunch today I wore linen and my AE Hamptons:

 

 

Nice Job! (Click to show)

 

AppleMark

Socks are from Gammarelli in Rome- Pope socks! 

 

AppleMark

 

AppleMark

 

Of course my 2 year old son stepped right on the white part, so I'm getting out the cleaning kit.

 

Have a blessed Sunday everyone!

 

 

 

For your first picture post you made quite the entrance! icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif

 

Very well done, you pulled that off nicely. Looking forward to more.

 

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I am thinking of picking up a pair of Shell Cordovan Black Park Aves. I have 17 pairs of AEs, and no Park Aves. I understand that during the 91st Anniversary Sale, the calf park Aves will be on sale for $219. Any thoughts from anyone that has a pair of the shell on what I should go with?

I have the PA in calf and shell. My thought was to wear the calf for really bad weather and save the shell for nicer weather. I got the BB version of the PA for some stupid cheap price and they have the poron insoles which makes my foot sit higher than normal so the gap is larger than I like. I seldom wear them for that reason and wear the shell instead although they are fairly new, but so far no problems in the snow, etc. 

 

Traditionally most people would say shell is too informal for a dress shoe like the PA but IMO they have worked out just fine. The reasoning behind that theory is that shell has a different depth than calf and it develops rolls instead of creases. My rolls are very minor and because it is a cap toe actually forces a crease at the base, with very minor rolls.

 

Calf will develop micro-creases over time no matter what you do:

At the bottom are my black calf Leeds, they are my oldest dress shoes. You can see the micro-creasing in addition to the regular creases that form. They aren't bad, but the middle pair is my first pair of shell shoes burgundy Leeds. The burgundy Leeds have more  actual wear time over the years and to my eye look better. Both shoes have had 2 sets of heels and toe caps put on because the tips are worn down to almost nothing. But the soles are still without holes and I don't see the need to replace them any time soon. I use a couple of thin coats of Saphir blue wax on both the calf Leeds above and my shell PA, and really like the effect.

 

 

With the calf PA being a third of the price that is a hard decision to make. But in my mind shell last longer and looks better as it ages. Good luck and hope that helped.

 

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rotflmao.gif This is one of the funnier posts I've read on SF, I think it's craking me up mostly because it is way too true for me. Luckily I pulled the trigger on my #4 unicorn before they got out of the sights.
Thank you for the sizing advise, and also thank you to the original poster of the PSA. Just bought my first pair of AE's looking forward to seeing how they stack up to my other shoes.

Yeah I agree that englade123's post should be in a hall of fame somewhere! However it is too late for any of us to be saved, sigh. Congrats on your first AE shell purchase and any problems or questions throw them out here and someone will be glad to enable help you.. AE sometimes uses a lot of cream on their shell and can mute the true look of the shell but you can remove it with a little work if you happen to get a pair like that. And nice score on those #4's!! worship.gif

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Originally Posted by Cold Iron View Post

For your first picture post you made quite the entrance! icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif

 

Very well done, you pulled that off nicely. Looking forward to more.

Thank you very much! 

If I'm honest, I tried these shoes on with every pair of pants I own.  They are much harder to pull off than I thought they would be!

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when exactly is the anniversary sale scheduled to be?  thanks in advance
 

also- is this sale generally better than the father's day sale that the SA from the Shoebank told me about?

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I think they look good.  I say keep them.

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Those Park Avenues aren't gaping much at all. I'd keep them. No one is going to notice and you'll forget about it after a while. I'd just send the ladies at the Jville store a thank you card for sending you so many alternatives.

Thanks for the thoughts, guys. I'm keeping them. smile.gif And absolutely, the ladies at the Jville store have been fantastic, though they only sent me one exchange pair. The first of the three pairs of PAs I tried were firsts ordered from AllenEdmonds.com.

Maybe my mind is playing tricks on me, but I swear these shoes gaped more the first time I tried them on. Wish I'd snapped a pic to compare. In the few days that elapsed before I tried them on again, I didn't even have shoe trees in them; they were simply placed back in the box. Maybe the way they sit in the box really does affect the bowing issue in some cases, as the Allen Edmonds CEO theorized. Regardless, I will be using shoe trees of course, so it should be a non-issue.

Now that I've got satisfactory pair of black captoes in my collection, time to start eyeing my next AE purchase, and maybe take advantage of the 20% off from Jville once again. nod[1].gif I'm thinking Bourbon Strands or McAllisters...
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when exactly is the anniversary sale scheduled to be?  thanks in advance
 

also- is this sale generally better than the father's day sale that the SA from the Shoebank told me about?


Should be starting this Monday.  Not sure about if it's better than Father's Day though. 

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