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And here we go again... This is my first experience with AE as this is the first of their shoes that I've bought. As I mentioned in a follow up to the above post, the store agreed to replace the shoe because of the color issues and also re-fitted me into a new size. A week later (today) I received the replacement pair. Please tell me what you guys think. I don't think a brand new pair of $350 shoes should come with these scuffs. The left shoe was in the dust bag and the right shoe was not. I learned by speaking to someone at the store today that they do this when a customer tries on a pair of shoes. This is how they know the box has been opened. My pair did not come from the warehouse I was told so I think it came from another retail location. It's unclear to me if the scuffs were there when they were shipped or from sliding around not in the dust bag during shipping that these scuffs developed.

 

The clerk I spoke to at the store said I could try some conditioner/cleaner, clear polish or walnut polish. I have all of those so I will give it a shot tonight. I really don't feel like sending these back because she said in my size there are only two at stores that she could see in the system. That means me bringing these back and waiting for those to ship and possibly running into the same issue. 7.5 E seems to be an odd size so it's not like there's tons of these laying around. She said the factory shows some uppers available meaning they'd finish assembly and ship them out so I'd be guaranteed new shoes but that could take some time.

 

Based on these pictures, do you think anything will help? I know that I'll end up scuffing them myself at some point but I'd rather start with a pristine shoe. If these were seconds I'd be satisfied but I'd also have paid a lot less money. 

 

 

 

 

echoing the above sentiments--you should try some conditioner first, then some cream and wax polish if the scuffs persist. they likely won't. you'll likely have to get used to seeing similar scuffs that you incur (legs of a rolling chair, gas/brake/clutch pedals), and they are super easy to get rid of.

 

if you aren't satisfied after your attempts, you could even consider returning or exchanging the shoes yet again (granted you don't ruin them--which would anyway admittedly be difficult to do).

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Could I get some suggestions from anyone?

I'm a college student (on a strict budget) in need of interview dress shoes. After trying on the Park Avenue in several widths and size, I have determined the 5 last isn't for me. I have a wide feet (Measured to be between E and EE) and a high instep. Trying to stay within the AE brand, but on a different last, I then decided on the Vernon:


 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

However, I later realized the Vernon is a "Plain-toe", rather than a "Cap-toe". I've read numerous forum posts and many people believe a "Cap-toe" is more traditional in business.

 

What are your thoughts on this? Would I be better off getting a "Cap-toe" for my purpose? 

 

To be honest, I can't tell the difference between the two different toe styles, but I want to buy the right shoes. I'm having a really hard time finding other shoes that would suit my high instep and needs that is within $400.

these would be great as interview shoes. the practical difference between these and the park avenues is minimal, and, to me, the vernons aren't so far out there as to draw unnecessary attention. your feet will thank you after a long day of walking standing, if something like that is in store for you!

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echoing the above sentiments--you should try some conditioner first, then some cream and wax polish if the scuffs persist. they likely won't. you'll likely have to get used to seeing similar scuffs that you incur (legs of a rolling chair, gas/brake/clutch pedals), and they are super easy to get rid of.

if you aren't satisfied after your attempts, you could even consider returning or exchanging the shoes yet again (granted you don't ruin them--which would anyway admittedly be difficult to do).

Thanks. The conditioner worked great and I'm wearing them this morning.
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Thanks. The conditioner worked great and I'm wearing them this morning.

Also, remember to never use wax polish on areas of the shoe that crease.  Only use on the toe portion and heel, unless you plan on stripping the wax off every couple of weeks.  See the shoe polishing thread for more info, that thread changed my whole mindset about shoe care.

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Walnut Hale today

 

Looking good Doc, very good! Can't believe any of your staff wouldn't think that is sharp looking. If they haven't come around yet then I'm thinking there is no hope for them!

 

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Hi.  New to the forum.  I'm looking for a versatile boot that can withstand west coast weather (i.e. rain).  I will mostly wear them with jeans, but it would be a plus if I can wear it with dress pants and even a suit.  I've been looking at the Long Branch, Dalton, or even the Cordovan.  I like the look of the Dalton more than the Long Branch, but the Long Branch is probably more rugged (less likelihood of scuffing the heals)?  I hesitate to say more durable. The Dalton has the rubber sole or tap sole option (I'm not sure which is best).  The Cordovan doesn't have any rubber sole options but if I baby it more it should last longer?  Any advice you can give me is greatly appreciated.

 

I was going to say there are other boot options but just checked the AE website and ouch, not much left! Which means later this summer we should see some new options.

 

I have a couple of AE boots with the rubber lug sole, it is hard and not very aggressive. They have held up extremely well, because they are hard durability is increased. The tap sole is a half sole installed by the factory and you can actually get a cobbler to put those and even a lug sole on your boots too as another option. I will have that done to one of my shell chukka's. Shell Cordovan I don't normally expose to moisture however I have my 744's and worn them most of the winter even more than my Red Wing Beckman's. They have handled the water and snow just fine but if they were my only pair of shell I'd likely baby them a bit more, a lot more. Shell can be some tough stuff. But it can also be a finicky material and some of my shell develops welts easily but in a couple of days brushes out. On a few pair of shell that I know will be exposed to moisture I put a couple thin layers of wax polish on them and a coat of Alden Defender. It works fairly well but I wouldn't want to wade streams with them.

 

I have and like the Dalton but a couple of other options are the Bayfield in CXL and suede Katmai which are both still available through Lands End. They only come in D width though.

 

Bayfield

 

Katamai

 

I treat my CXL Bayfields with Obenhauf's HDLP and they are completely waterproof. The perf captoe is more versatile than wingtips IMO. Although you would be surprised how many people think they ARE a wingtip?! If I was in the Pacific NW they would be my go to boots.

 

The suede Katamai surprised me, it is pretty rugged for suede and I have worn mine in mud, snow and water. I treat them with Bickmore Gard-More and the next day they brush right up looking good again. The nap on the rear half is a bit longer than the front, it isn't exactly a dress chukka or at least I don't wear it as such.

 

Good luck and welcome to SF. And pictures are required once you decide on what to get and receive them ;-)

 

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Can anyone comment on Patriot sizing?

 - in a 5 last i usually wear 9.5E, Daltons I wear a 10D

I'm a 10D on the 1 last including shell Daltons. But I'm also a 10D on the 5 last with the exception of the rough collection shoes. The shell Patriot in 10D fits me perfectly. I have a low volume foot, not sure if that helps or not.

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For those with the V-tread tap sole: Is the rubber portion simply glued and/or stitched on top of a full leather sole, or is there a portion of the leather sole that is cut out so that the rubber portion sits flush with the leather portion? Or is the rubber portion entirely rubber (no leather above it at all)?

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Some fun summer shoes that I picked up from the Jeffersonville AE outlet (and their unadvertised 20% off sale) on the way back from visiting relatives in OH last week. First shoe for me on the new 3 last.

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For those with the V-tread tap sole: Is the rubber portion simply glued and/or stitched on top of a full leather sole, or is there a portion of the leather sole that is cut out so that the rubber portion sits flush with the leather portion? Or is the rubber portion entirely rubber (no leather above it at all)?

 

The rubber is stitched on.  A portion of the leather sole, from what I can tell, is cut out so that the rubber sits flush.  So yes, from what I can tell, there is a leather sole above the rubber.

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Can anyone comment on Patriot sizing?

 - in a 5 last i usually wear 9.5E, Daltons I wear a 10D


I am a 9D in both the Patriot (calf) and 5 last.  I will say that I have a relatively low-volume foot and the Patriot is tight (although not uncomfortable) over my midfoot.  I could see someone with a higher arch needing to make a size adjustment.

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I am a 9D in both the Patriot (calf) and 5 last.  I will say that I have a relatively low-volume foot and the Patriot is tight (although not uncomfortable) over my midfoot.  I could see someone with a higher arch needing to make a size adjustment.

I agree. I am a true 9D in Park Avenue, and have a relatively low instep, however, I do feel the squeeze on my cordovan Patriots. One pair has been getting a bit looser with each wear but I still have aches with one of the pairs when my socks are (slightly) too thick.
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Anyone know a place in downtown Toronto I can pick up some kiwi tan polish to shine my walnut strands? Tried Novelty Shoe but to no avail =(
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Anyone have further commentary on the Butyl soles? Can you get them in single soles (e.g. could I recraft a pair of shoes with butyl without having to go with the double soles that are used on the boots)?

When I ordered my Daltons, I didn't realize there was even anything different--just thought they had colored the sole to match the rest of the boot...but then I realized that even when the sole scuffs on things, it doesn't reveal layers of normal looking leather and I looked it up and realized it was the butyl leather sole. It didn't say what that meant but over the past winter, I have noticed that they do seem to do very well with wet streets. I don't end up with wet socks after walking around in the rain.

Figured this might be mostly because of the double sole taking longer to soak through but I found this quote from AE customer service:
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The Dalton features our Butyl Double Leather Sole, which is Butyl soaked, resulting in a high resiliency to water. Butyl is actually a chemical in which some rubbers are derived; butyl rubber is known for its leak-proof qualities.

So that explains it. Are there any downsides to this? Seems like the best of both worlds--you get a true leather sole, but you get a large amount of the water resistance of a rubber sole. Its not like it is an ugly color--I think it would actually do great on the bottom of some black park avenues (assuming it is available in a single leather sole).
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Anyone have further commentary on the Butyl soles? Can you get them in single soles (e.g. could I recraft a pair of shoes with butyl without having to go with the double soles that are used on the boots)?

When I ordered my Daltons, I didn't realize there was even anything different--just thought they had colored the sole to match the rest of the boot...but then I realized that even when the sole scuffs on things, it doesn't reveal layers of normal looking leather and I looked it up and realized it was the butyl leather sole. It didn't say what that meant but over the past winter, I have noticed that they do seem to do very well with wet streets. I don't end up with wet socks after walking around in the rain.

Figured this might be mostly because of the double sole taking longer to soak through but I found this quote from AE customer service:
So that explains it. Are there any downsides to this? Seems like the best of both worlds--you get a true leather sole, but you get a large amount of the water resistance of a rubber sole. Its not like it is an ugly color--I think it would actually do great on the bottom of some black park avenues (assuming it is available in a single leather sole).

 

Though the AE website says others, I believe the Neumok has single butyl soles. See this very informative post from MoneyWellSpent for more information.

 

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I wouldn't want to make any dogmatic guarantees that they are all single sole, but they sure look like single soles to me.  If it is a double sole, it is a THIN double sole. [...]

 

Oak is the traditional tanning agent for leather soles due to it's resilient nature, hard yet flexible characteristics that make it good for shoe soles.  It has been in use for centuries.  The butyl soles are simply based on the idea that oil and water don't mix smile.gif so if you soak the leather in the oil, it will be more resistant.  When you feel a butyl sole, it actually feels slightly greasy (though it isn't like it will leave a residue on anything).  Double oak soles are very hardy, they just wear a bit faster when wet.  Once they dry out, they are back to their usual hardiness.  None of these are waterproof. [...]

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echoing the above sentiments--you should try some conditioner first, then some cream and wax polish if the scuffs persist. they likely won't. you'll likely have to get used to seeing similar scuffs that you incur (legs of a rolling chair, gas/brake/clutch pedals), and they are super easy to get rid of.

if you aren't satisfied after your attempts, you could even consider returning or exchanging the shoes yet again (granted you don't ruin them--which would anyway admittedly be difficult to do).

Thanks. The conditioner worked great and I'm wearing them this morning.

Where are the pictures?
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Anybody have pictures of the dark brown shell Leeds?

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