Edit^^ nice detail, Cold Iron. We were posting at the same time.
I take the same size in my shell Randolphs as all my other shell AEs - 12D. I don't have any experience with the Patriot, however. It feels to me like AE made their 9 last (Randoph) shorter than the 5 last (Cambridge, PA, others) in the same size, probably so that the loafers on this last could fit well in the same size as their lace-ups on other lasts.
I'll also add that the full-strap design of the Randolph means it won't stretch much across the top of your foot. If you have a high-volume foot (as described above) you may have problems with the Randolph. I have a medium volume foot, and the first few wearings were tight, then it started to loosen up.
Ideally, go somewhere you can try them on... Good luck.
bucksfan thanks for the great write up on the Randolph's, you have me wondering if they may just work for me also. I need a burgundy shell loafer now after all... :-)
Can we begin a rumor that will hopefully pressure the CEOs to make something come true? Can we start a rumor that there will be an Allen Edmonds-Filson collaboration? Rugged shell cordovan loafers? Yes please. Btw just sitting in the St. Louis MO airport and the idea popped into my head as I took this picture.
Great picture and shoes! I own a lot of Filson bags and clothing, both town and field\hunting so would love to see it. However guess we are a day too late guess what just came out on the Orvis website? Loafers made by AE, likely made in the DR seeing how the price is $198