Thanks! I went with the same size as the Park Avenue but I found the fit of the 8 last of the Clifton to be better. But that is just my foot perhaps. You may want to go into an AE retailer and try on another 8 last shoe such as the Delray or something just to be sure. Most AE retailers carry Delray and Lasalle.
I haven't worn them with jeans at least not yet but that is mostly because the pair of jeans I have are raw denim. I don't think I want to take the risk of the denim bleeding onto the shoes . I think the burgundy color will work fine with jeans though as that's the color of my clarks db which I wear with jeans.
Thanks for the info; I didn't realize that the Clifton was on an 8 last (since it's a discontinued model, the info doesn't appear to be listed on the AE website). I actually own a pair of Delrays, and they fit me quite well, so that's reassuring.
I feel like I shouldn't be buying myself more shoes with Christmas so near, but I just may have to pull the trigger on those burgundy Clifton's. If I do, I think I will have to call a moratorium on any new dress shoe purchases until well into next year. Now I know why people warn about the perils of developing a pricey AE obsession...