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post #11296 of 70737
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Originally Posted by random-adam View Post


I'll echo everybody else -- my brown Wilberts have been worn a couple times a week for the last few years and do the job nicely in my office's more-casual-than-business environment. The heel is kind of hollow in spots and wore through after two and a half years, but B. Nelson replaced 'em with a better rubber sole and that did the trick.
Here they are fresh from the resole a few months back when linen trousers were in order:


 Those are very nice, that isn't the color I see on the web site is it? The fact is I'm getting into rubber soles more and more the older I get. I'm also going for a pair of Bentons. I just picked up a pair of Beckers on E-Bay in perfect condition.

post #11297 of 70737
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Interesting.  Remind me which shoe model this is?  It may be the particular model/last then.  The 1-511 last, for example, has a good bit of leather wrap under the arch area.  Depending on how much the shoe upper wraps under the arch of your foot prior to meeting the insole, you may be feeling upward pressure from the tension in the leather upper under your arch area.  That may be why you don't feel it when walking, because your arch collapses slightly and presses down on this tension, thus making it more comfortable.  When you are sitting, your arch is relaxed and the upward tension resumes.  This may alleviate some as the shoes age, if this is what is going on.  If you are not feeling the discomfort when walking, I would question whether the problem has anything to do with the insole/cork.  If there were a bump in the arch caused by the cork or insole I would assume you would feel it more during walking.   


Thanks for the response!

It's the Jefferson, 5 last. I'm only having discomfort in the left shoe.

post #11298 of 70737
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Thanks for the response!

It's the Jefferson, 5 last. I'm only having discomfort in the left shoe.

 

Ahh, and the Independence Collection has a different type of insole with extra cushioning... so there may be something going on under there after all.  I have tried on a Jefferson before, but that is the extent of my experience with them, so my help may end there.  As for my previous post, the 5 last doesn't have as much wrap under the arch area as some others, like the 1-511 last for example.  Here are pictures of what I was referring to before.  The top shoe is a 5-last shoe, and the bottom one is a 1-511 last shoe.  Significant difference in the amount of leather under the arch area that could cause upward tension (see areas circled in red).  But if you are only experiencing this in the left shoe, I may return to looking at the insole.  Can you feel anything with your fingers when you reach inside the shoe?

 

 

 

post #11299 of 70737
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Those are very nice, that isn't the color I see on the web site is it?
Pretty sure they are the "brown outland leather" mentioned on the site. A few years' worth of use, and the fact that they're fresh from a professional shining with the resole, are to blame for that finish.

Two things: I used brown polish before I knew any better, so the contrast stitching (especially at the front of the shoe) kind of isn't... and the new sole was stitched on with linen-colored thread, so that throws off the look of the shoe compared to how it looks on the AE site.

It seems like the leather has almost an oily finish. It shines up really nicely with a small dab of venetian shoe cream and some buffing.
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Pretty sure they are the "brown outland leather" mentioned on the site. A few years' worth of use, and the fact that they're fresh from a professional shining with the resole, are to blame for that finish.
Two things: I used brown polish before I knew any better, so the contrast stitching (especially at the front of the shoe) kind of isn't... and the new sole was stitched on with linen-colored thread, so that throws off the look of the shoe compared to how it looks on the AE site.
It seems like the leather has almost an oily finish. It shines up really nicely with a small dab of venetian shoe cream and some buffing.


They are real sharp for a casual shoe. Of course all I'm doing any more are casual shoes, at 60 comfort trumps everything else! I think the Wilbert would respond well to Saphir Renovateur....BTW - do the Wilberts run big?

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BTW - do the Wilberts run big?
I'm afraid at 14AA I can make no comments about size that would be relevant to any but a few dozen people on the planet. facepalm.gif
post #11302 of 70737
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BTW - do the Wilberts run big?

I wear a 13B in all of their other shoes and also a 13B in the Wilbert.  Probably a good idea to try them on in a store before buying online though. 

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I stopped by my local menswear / shoe store at lunch and they just received some Bourbon Flatirons. So I thought I would give my thoughts on this shoe and this color.

Flatiron - on the newer 333 last which has a more squared off toe (not too square, just more than traditional AE). I like the look, but I am going to have to get used to the more squared toe as I have worn the more traditional round toe for over 20 years. But I think this style could grow on me. I tried on the same size as 95% of my other AE shoes and the fit was great - not too narrow (like the 2 last) and perhaps just a tad more room width wise than the 5 last. I did notice it seemed to have more depth top to bottom as I could move my toes up and down more freely than most of my other AE's and the break across the toes had more give to it.

Bourbon color - it is great in my opinion. Sorry no pictures as my cell phone photos are not good at all. I put the shoe between a Walnut Strand and a Brown Parkway and a Brown Jermyn. You will not mistake the Bourbon for either the Walnut or the Brown. The Bourbon has less orange/red in it than the Walnut. And it looks like a very faded Brown. And the Bourbon shows off the burnishing very nicely. However, I have seen some variations in the new McTavish Cognac and there may be some variation among shoes in the Bourbon color. I have some older AE Bourbon (Sanford and Bridgeton from about 15-20 years ago) and this new Bourbon is not even close to that old Bourbon. My old AE Bourbons are much closer to the Walnut than the new Bourbon is.

They are getting some Bourbon Strands and that might be my next buy after seeing the photos posted here earlier.

Chris
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They are getting some Bourbon Strands and that might be my next buy after seeing the photos posted here earlier.

Would you say my previous photos were a good representation of what you see in person?

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Had another great visit to the 6th Ave in NYC AE store last night. Back story is that, after returning from a relative's wedding, my wife left my Burgundy Cliftons (in their bags) on the floor in the bedroom. (she brought them in from the car and I didn't notice) Bad move as the bag, with it's drawstring closure and ominous shape, is like a magnet to my cat. Long story short, before i could intervene, my cat had scratched up the left shoe! It was so bad looking that I had to leave the house immediately and take a 45 minute walk before I blew up at my wife or the cat. These things happen and it's easy to freak out in the heat of the moment. When I got home, I sat down to assess the damage. Looked worse in the light. Pulled out the old Saphir Renovateur and went to work. I pretty got rid of 95% of the damage. (which is why i've got no pictures - there's no point) All that remained were about 5 or 6 pinhead size dots that looked like I poked it with a needle. The renovateur buffed most of it out. Unfortunately, I didn't have any cream or polish suitable for these shoes. Been fine with the renovateur thus far. So, since I needed to meet up with my tailor ANYWAY, it was time to hop the train last night and head for the city.

At the tailor's, he couldn't even notice the damage until he knew what he was looking for. Good sign!

Got to Allen Edmonds and, as usual, they were all super great. Ryan, the sales clerk took care of me and was asking Julie, the manager, about colors. "Julie! What color polish for the Burgundy Cliftons?" "Merlot!" she said as she was putting some boxes out. No hesitation. While I was there I figured i'd get some brown polish for my Stockbridges. "Julie, which brown for the Stockbridge?" "That's not brown, it's Chili." Spent a half hour or so talking to Julie and Ryan as well as trying on some loafers. Everyone is so nice there and there's no pressure to purchase anything. It's probably easier for me to get to the Short Hills, NJ store, but i'll continue to be a customer for life at that 6th ave store!

-J
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Another pic of the Bayfields. Wearing them around the office to see how they feel. 

 

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I asked a question related to this about a week ago, and nobody ever commented.  However, in my experience you shouldn't expect the arch to do much molding.  The majority of the molding takes place in the heel and ball of the foot areas, and some under the toes where the most pressure and weight are applied.  In theory, as these areas sink into the cork, the arch area will recieve a little bit more support since it will stay in it's original state.  All this is relative though, as the cork layer under the footbed is only around 5-6 millimeters thick.  It isn't like there is a super thick layer that will end up with the kind of support that an orthotic insole will provide.  As I said above though, some of my shoes have molded more than others, and I was wondering if anyone else has had this experience.


I went back to the store and they gave me another pair and they feel much better! Though I'm sure they're sick of seeing me in that store, they were really helpful.

Interestingly, the Walnut is quite dark:

post #11308 of 70737
Quote: Originally Posted by kentyman

Would you say my previous photos were a good representation of what you see in person?

Yes, the Bourbon Strands you posted are very close to the color I saw on the Flatiron.

Chris
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I went back to the store and they gave me another pair and they feel much better! Though I'm sure they're sick of seeing me in that store, they were really helpful.

Interestingly, the Walnut is quite dark:

 

Fantastic.  The Jefferson's are one of my favorite wingtips from AE.  cheers.gif

post #11310 of 70737
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I've got a pair of Sanfords here I just purchased brand new and found a defect in the right shoe. The rest of the shoe is breathtaking (perfect leather, really nice stitching). This panel though on the shoe the stitching is lopsided, they go over the edge and almost just try to finish off the pattern even though no longer in symmetry. The leather holes are not punched right through so they are just left there. You can see where the shoe laces attach is really crinkly leather. It's almost like a thinner piece of leather compared to the rest of the shoe. Somehow this was missed on their quality control. The rest of the shoe is brand new. This panel almost seems old. The shoes were fresh and unlaced out of the box (I did a quick lace up to try them on so I don't believe they were used. The leather soles were untouched.

 

 

 

 

This phenomenon is actually pretty common.  Sometimes you can gently pluck out the tiny leather plugs from the brogue holes using a toothpick.  As for the age of the leather/shoe, etc.  They are definitely new, no question.  I suppose there could be a chance that one of the pieces of the shoe came from a slightly older batch of calfskin, but more than likely it is purely coincidence.  If it is a slightly different texture/thickness, etc., then it probably just came from a different calfskin roll, and therefore isn't exactly the same as the pieces used for the rest of the shoe upper.  The cutters are trained to match leather well, but obviously it isn't a perfect process.  From the picture they look beautiful, and if you can pluck out the tiny leather plugs and then shine them with some walnut polish to take care of evening out the color within the brogue holes, you should be set. 

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