Originally Posted by kennethpollock
Let's see now. Your experience is largely or entirely limited to this rather peculiar country [gastonomically], you have worked in exactly 3 USA restaurants which taught you that waiters becoming programmed robots is the wave of the future, and you have eaten out about 1/7 as often as I have, so that makes you "somewhat of an expert" compared to me. You think that the type of service I like will be harder and harder for me to find, even though it makes the USA the laughing-stock of the rest of the world, and I find myself fleeing abroad more and more often seeking to escape it. I am supposed to blame the other customers. I am supposed to think that this "hick treatment" you advocate is genuinely friendly (and not just a phony high-pressure sales pitch mandated by giant chains) and is really intimate (even though the exact same "service," word for word, and act for act, is fostered upon tens of millions). I am supposed to think America is a more liberal and less socially structured society than Europe, because most USA restaurants make all of their waiters act exactly alike. I am really learning lots from your expertise.
Your holier than thou, belittling attitudes twords people you THINK are inferior to you (I.E. myself) are becoming rather obnoxious. You admitted that you HAD NEVER WORKED IN A RESTAURANT. So yes, that puts me several experience points up on you when it comes to matters of WORKING IN A RESTAURANT AND KNOWING HOW THEY OPERATE. I'm sure you are a nice enough guy, perhaps you even have some nice qualities, but logic isn't one of them. Go back and read the above post. You were trying to be an obnoxious jerk and piss me off, but then you actually turned around and ended up agreeing with me. Go figure!
You think that the type of service I like will be harder and harder for me to find, even though it makes the USA the laughing-stock of the rest of the world, and I find myself fleeing abroad more and more often seeking to escape it.
Laughing stock of the world? Exaggerated. Either that or a lack of experience
The laughing stock of certain places in Europe? Maybe.Certain places in Europe who share your overinflated sense of propriety and take preposterous offense at every slight of antiquated rules perhaps. No wonder you feel so at home there. You have cultivated this image that you are somehow better than everyone else around you because you are older, or have travelled more, or eaten at nicer restaraunts. Its not like I haven't travelled around the world a bit, eaten at my share of nice restaraunts, and I am able to read and write and understand simple concepts. I already gave you a very specific example of a country outside the US where your preferred style of service is not so preferred. At least you could be gentlemanly enough to put it forth as YOUR BELIEF that America is the lauging stock of the world. (Since it is obviously an opinion, and not a fact.) Europe hardly constitutes the "rest of the world". And yes. America is a more socially liberal and less structured society than Europe. Not because of the restaurants as you so flippantly propose that I said. Which in fact is not what I said at all. I assume you are taking the idiotic tone you are to be facetious, not because you have difficulty comprehending words or ideas running counter to those that have come out of your own mouth. Just in case.The fact is this; most of Europe is based on a social model of aristocracy and America is not. We do not have formally structured noble social classes where the rank of your birthright alone allows you to treat everyone else like shit. (outside of Paris Hilton and her ilk, unfortunately, but I don't count them, cause I would probably be shot if I punched Queen Elizabeth, but I would be most likely be lauded for punching Paris Hilton) Therefore, the United States, if you follow, being generally less comfortable with the strict formalities of social class, do not generally see an informal general greeting as an insult to their noble sensibilities. I generally find it uncommonly rude and distateful to treat people like servants or slaves. Just so you know. If the "phony sales pitch" is what you take so much offense to, and only mandated by giant chains, why are you encountering it so often at the high-class establishments you frequent? Perhaps you should try some different restaurants. I don't generally eat, nor have I ever been a server at a "giant chain restaurant" such as Friday's. I eat at a variety of different types of restaurants, and I find friendly, genuine, talkative people everywhere. And I appreciate that. You must be insinuating that I am a retarded, penniless, inbred child for not being able to see that friendly waitstaff are NEVER GENUINE. That seems to be your main point. I disagree. I think that if "tens of millions of people" can't tell when someone is genuinely being friendly and when they are being sold a rote sales pitch, perhaps you are just too damn sensitive about imagined slights to your OBVIOUS SUPERIORITY over the "commoners" in the service industry. I'm not disputing the fact that it happens, but reading the friggin specials is HARDLY a robotic, rote sales pitch. Especially since the specials at the places I tend to frequent differ from one visit to the next and many times they are not on the menu. I'd LIKE to hear them, and so would the majority of the people you ask. Also, on a personal note, typing (and one could reasonably assume speaking) to other people in a tone that conveys that they could perhaps be an equal instead of assuming that everyone who doesn't share your point of view is a bumpkin, idiot, or redneck isn't your strong suit. Maybe you should stop typing things like that when you notice that you are making others visibly upset. It makes you sound like a complete a-hole when you continue to blather on telling everyone who disagrees with you that they must be stupid children with no life experience. Just in case you were unaware that is what you sounded like, I'm doing you the favor of telling you.