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post #1141 of 1317
Good point about drape; it's definitely a bit more traditional. And yeah, a lot of the suits have a glossy or shimmering look to them.
post #1142 of 1317
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Originally Posted by othertravel View Post

Good point about drape; it's definitely a bit more traditional. And yeah, a lot of the suits have a glossy or shimmering look to them.

The new line is adding more options which I think is nice.

This for example will be part of the S/S 2014 RTW Line

http://www.style.com/fashion-shows/spring-2014-menswear/milan/giorgio-armani/collection/_ARM0449.683x1024.JPG

post #1143 of 1317

Question about Belvest:  I received this suit today, and it appears to be a fused garment.  Very noticeable in the roll of the lapel, it creases and does not drape nicely.  What label would you call this one?  Silver or something else? 

 

I agree with others that the line is generally very high quality, fully canvassed (black label).

post #1144 of 1317
That's a shame...Belvest gets such a bad rep on here and they're a great company from Veneto.
post #1145 of 1317
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Originally Posted by MDeKelver View Post

Question about Belvest:  I received this suit today, and it appears to be a fused garment.  Very noticeable in the roll of the lapel, it creases and does not drape nicely.  What label would you call this one?  Silver or something else? 

I agree with others that the line is generally very high quality, fully canvassed (black label).


That's interesting. Isn't the Silver Label half canvassed?
post #1146 of 1317
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Originally Posted by Ich_Dien View Post

That's a shame...Belvest gets such a bad rep on here and they're a great company from Veneto.


I don't understand it either. The silver label is a diffusion line and lower quality, sure, but their white and black label stuff is nice. I've gotten a few of their pieces for NM and I think they're great.

 

On thread, a bump of the most recent list:

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Disclaimer: This list is intended to recommend suits that have been evaluated first hand by the SF community based on construction quality. Brands not on the list have either not been evaluated or do not meet the minimum requirements to be recommended at any budget level. The list does not include criteria for fit, as it is subjective and differs for each body type, nor does it offer criteria for fabric or styling. If you're brand new to buying a suit, consider the fit of a garment before any other factors.
 

Excellent [*****]
- Brioni
- Cesare Attolini Napoli

- Caraceni
- Kiton
- Luciano Barbera Sartoriale
- Luigi Borrelli

- Oxxford (Highest Quality)
- Sartoria Castangia
- St Andrew / Santandrea
- La Vera Sartoria Napoletana
- Zegna Couture/Tom Ford

Very Good[****] (IE: Few suits match the quality of the ones in this category.)

- Battistoni

- Belvest mainline
- Borrelli Luxury Vintage
- Canali Milano
- Corneliani Linea Sartoria
- D'Avenza
- Isaia
- Oxxford (1220)
- Pal Zileri Sartoriale (I think there is another line higher than Sartoriale: The custom made one--IIRC "Abito Privato"--has excellent quality)
- Ravazzolo

- Sartoria Partenopea
- Sartoria Attolini Napoli
- Raffaelle Caruso: Sartoria Parma
- RLPL
- Sartorio
- Stile Latino

Good[***] (IE: Quality is superior to most suits.)

- Brooks Brothers Black Fleece
- Brooks Brothers Golden Fleece
- Brunello Cucinelli (very nice fabrics)
- Canali mainline
- Canali Exclusive (higher end fabrics)
- Cantarelli mainline
- Corneliani mainline
- Dunhill
- Ermenegildo Zegna
- Faconnable Tailleur
- Hickey Freeman Mainline

- J. Press Pressidential (full canvas)
- Kei by Canali (full canvas, but very soft)

- Martin Greenfield for Gilt, BoO, FSC, & O&S (fully canvassed)
- Pal Zileri mainline
- Paul Smith mainline (fully canvassed)
- Paul Stuart
- Raffaelle Caruso mainline
- RLBL

- Robert Talbott (Made in USA by Martin Greenfield)
- Samuelsohn

Satisfactory [**] (IE: The "average" brands. Quality is acceptable.)

- Belvest Silver Label (half canvassed line)

- Boglioli (if you can find the half canvas ones; some fused)

- Boggi
- Brooks Brothers 1818 (half canvassed)
- Burberry Prorsum
- Cantarelli Tailor
- Charles Tyrwhitt
- CC Corneliani (half canvassed)
- Coppley (half canvassed)
- Etro (if you can find the half canvas ones; some fused)
- Giorgio Armani (Black Label)[/U] (alot of their pieces are fused)
- Gucci
- H. Freemann
- Hackett (half canvassed)
- Hugo Boss Selection[/U] half canvassed and some premium fabrics
- Hickey Freeman LTD (half canvassed)
- J. Press Presstige (half canvassed)
- Lardini (half canvassed)
- L.B.M. 1911
- Marks and Spencer (any of their "Pure Wool" collection)
- Paul Smith London (half canvassed)
- Piombo
- Polo Ralph Lauren (half canvassed, excellent fabric)

- Prada (half canvassed)
- Peter Millar
- Suit Supply (half canvassed)
- Valentino (half canvassed)

Mediocre[*] (Suits that are mediocre.)


- Armani Collezioni (fused)
- Calvin Klein Collection (now fused)

- Corneliani Trend (fused)
- Dolce & Gabbana
- Hickey (now fused and made in China)
- Hugo Boss (fused)

- J. Press mainline (fused; decent fabrics)
- J Crew Ludlow (fused)
- Joseph Abboud
- Pal Zileri Lab
- Versace Collection
- Z Zegna


Edited by MZhammer - 11/23/13 at 4:21pm
post #1147 of 1317

This is a great list for newbies like me. So, thank you very much. I have several requests, if I may, and they are:

1) where would you place Benjamin suits from eHaberdasher?

2) where would you place Baroni suits from The Wizard of Aahs?

 

My last request will not only be very helpful to me, but to many others that are in the same position, as well.

Would it be possible to include various price ranges for each suit on the list, so that we'll know when to jump on a particular suit when we find it. The prices can be broken down under these headings:

1) Close to retail price, can always be found

2) OK price, don't bother if not in a rush

3) Very good price, uncommon to find

4) Buy it ASAP, its a steal 

 

Example:

- "Brand Name" - 1. $500 plus, 2. 300-499, 3. $200-299, 4. Under $200

 

Of course this is an indicative breakdown, but you get the idea. If there is a better way, so be it.

 

Thank you in advance

post #1148 of 1317
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Originally Posted by Ich_Dien View Post

That's a shame...Belvest gets such a bad rep on here and they're a great company from Veneto.

+1

I am very happy with Belvest.
post #1149 of 1317
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Originally Posted by othertravel View Post


That's interesting. Isn't the Silver Label half canvassed?

The dealer told me that Belvest told him that the suit is half canvassed.  But it is a different (to me) approach compared to Armani Collezioni.  It is a big difference in the drape of the jacket. 

 

I had to return the suit, as it was advertised as a fully canvassed garment.  Hell, I'll pay $600 for a very good half-canvassed suit, but not a poorly done one.

post #1150 of 1317
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Originally Posted by kg8183 View Post
 

This is a great list for newbies like me. So, thank you very much. I have several requests, if I may, and they are:

1) where would you place Benjamin suits from eHaberdasher?

2) where would you place Baroni suits from The Wizard of Aahs?

 

My last request will not only be very helpful to me, but to many others that are in the same position, as well.

Would it be possible to include various price ranges for each suit on the list, so that we'll know when to jump on a particular suit when we find it. The prices can be broken down under these headings:

1) Close to retail price, can always be found

2) OK price, don't bother if not in a rush

3) Very good price, uncommon to find

4) Buy it ASAP, its a steal 

 

Example:

- "Brand Name" - 1. $500 plus, 2. 300-499, 3. $200-299, 4. Under $200

 

Of course this is an indicative breakdown, but you get the idea. If there is a better way, so be it.

 

Thank you in advance

 

This is a great proposal. However I doubt that any author with that particular knowledge would be willing to share it. The more transparency, the more people are going to compete to find quality items at good prices.

post #1151 of 1317
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Originally Posted by Silhouette View Post
 

 

This is a great proposal. However I doubt that any author with that particular knowledge would be willing to share it. The more transparency, the more people are going to compete to find quality items at good prices.

i think at times we already have enough of an issue agreeing what suits belong to what category.  the prices of the suits can vary tremendously within the same region, let alone different countries with different currencies.  the various prices can be just as detrimental as helpful when one is looking for a suit. 

 

i do like the idea and i think the whole point is to make their pricing as transparent as possible (to help the consumers).  we should allow this thread be the way it is - it's about quality of suits, and perhaps create a different thread on various pricing points of suits. 

post #1152 of 1317
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Originally Posted by doctorman View Post

i think at times we already have enough of an issue agreeing what suits belong to what category.  the prices of the suits can vary tremendously within the same region, let alone different countries with different currencies.  the various prices can be just as detrimental as helpful when one is looking for a suit. 

 

i do like the idea and i think the whole point is to make their pricing as transparent as possible (to help the consumers).  we should allow this thread be the way it is - it's about quality of suits, and perhaps create a different thread on various pricing points of suits. 

 



Agree completely. Regional divergence in pricing will likely lead to greater confusion than greater clarity.
post #1153 of 1317

Hi Guys.  Hudson's Bay has Michael Kors suits on sale for $179.99 today.  I don't need a suit right now, but I do need a navy blue suit, since I don't have one.  Should I get one at this price, or are they still not worth it?  I'd never pay the regular $480 for them.

post #1154 of 1317
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Originally Posted by ImTheGroom View Post
 

Hi Guys.  Hudson's Bay has Michael Kors suits on sale for $179.99 today.  I don't need a suit right now, but I do need a navy blue suit, since I don't have one.  Should I get one at this price, or are they still not worth it?  I'd never pay the regular $480 for them.


Dont do it.. horrible fabrics that will start shining in a year with moderate use, low ass armholes and an uninspiring cut..you will regret it..

post #1155 of 1317
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Originally Posted by chocsosa View Post
 


Dont do it.. horrible fabrics that will start shining in a year with moderate use, low ass armholes and an uninspiring cut..you will regret it..

 

Thanks for the quick reply.  I will continue to keep my eyes on thrift and consignment stores to get something high quality for cheap.

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