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post #31 of 45
Thread Starter 
i'm not arguing that it should not have been deleted. for all i know someone may have posted something unacceptable. i don't know.

whatever the reason is, i'd like to know, because as far as i'm concerned, there was a reasonable discussion going on.

it has now been 19 hours since i started this thread.
post #32 of 45
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Originally Posted by jay allen
Having missed the thread I don't know what was being discussed. It would seem to me that child porn is an issue that doesn't need alot of discussion. I mean, what is there to argue about. No reasonable person would disagree that it BAD. If the mod's were a little quick on the trigger...cut them some slack. This forum is moderated almost to perfection....especially when compared to others.
We can go Postmodernist on it! Deconstruct it until it's merely a tangential issue.
post #33 of 45
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Originally Posted by jay allen
Having missed the thread I don't know what was being discussed. It would seem to me that child porn is an issue that doesn't need alot of discussion. I mean, what is there to argue about. No reasonable person would disagree that it BAD.

Unfortunately not all people are reasonable people. I was once a whistleblower when a medical colleague was involved with c**** P**********. The organization's response was quite unreasonable, to put it mildly.

Aus_MD
post #34 of 45
Thread Starter 
j, may we have an answer on this?
post #35 of 45
Yes, an answer would be nice to somehow put a close to this thread.
post #36 of 45
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Originally Posted by matadorpoeta
j,
may we have an answer on this?

Let it go. If I were the owner of this site, I wouldn't want the words "kxxxxx pxxx" appearing on my website.

What's to discuss? What kind of solutions you guys can come up with to combat the problem?

Moderators, please lock or delete this thread.
post #37 of 45
This is a legitimate subject with certain ramifications that can be discussed seriously.

I don't know why all the nervousness surrounding people who search for child porn finding this website. It's quite apparent that pictures of shoes and suit labels will not compell pedophiles to register.
post #38 of 45
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This is a legitimate subject with certain ramifications that can be discussed seriously.

I don't know why all the nervousness surrounding people who search for child porn finding this website. It's quite apparent that pictures of shoes and suit labels will not compell pedophiles to register.

I agree with LK. Paradoxically, it's this type of paranoia and reluctance to have an open dialogue about topics like this which contribute to the perpetuance of these problems.
post #39 of 45
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Originally Posted by mussel
What's to discuss? What kind of solutions you guys can come up with to combat the problem?

Moderators, please lock or delete this thread.

are you serious?

again i ask, are you serious?

if a dialectic cannot be held on a certain issue because of perceived inability to "combat the problem," then i think society's reached a problem more serious than the original issue itself.

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Originally Posted by mussel
What kind of solutions you guys can come up with to combat the problem?

seriously, what kind of thinking is that? a thing exists by the name of freedom of speech, goddamn. who are you to decide that "we guys" cannot come up with a solution to combat a problem? who are you to even decide that we were trying? the original poster started the thread to voice his frustration and despair at the existence of the problem. it was well within the bounds of what thomas paine would call "civil discourse."

if the thread was deleted because the forum owner did not want his forum to be linked to child porn, well, that's rather unnecessary (as it has already been pointed out by LabelKing that styleforum is hardly filled with porn), but it is the owner's prerogative to delete. if the thread was deleted for being in the wrong subforum (it should perhaps have been posted in current events), then that is another acceptable outcome. but to imply (as you certainly did) that discussion of a problem somehow adds to it, well, that's fascist censorship.

the same goes for the poster "martinis at eight" when (in the orignal thread) he asked that the thread be locked because it was a "distasteful" topic. in response i say, what about the thread about diamond rings? african blood is being spilled over those, and yet a topic with people suggesting that everyone purchase the biggest one they can is not distasteful to you? i find few things more repulsive than selective disdain, also known as hypocrisy. get off your high horse

i understand that we live in a fucked up world. i, too, am struggling to understand why things happen the way that they do. but lashing out at people for genuinely desiring to discuss an issues is flat-out stupid, and is strongly reminiscent of the sixteenth-century christian church condemning any scientific inquiry into whether or not the earth was round.

ps - no antagonism in this post is intended at the moderators. i know my place
post #40 of 45
The post that began the deleted thread imparted information that was both disturbing and eye-opening. I believe few of us were previously aware of the enormity of the problem or how the internet has spurred this sort of activity by providing a profitable venue.

While I should hope the subject would disturb us enough to make us want to look away, I should also hope we would have the courage to face it directly rather than hiding in denial.

I can see how the subject would be objectionable if prurient interest were being expressed, but such was not the case.

I assume the moderators discussed the matter and came to a concensus about deleting the thread. I think we would all appreciate an explanation of their rationale in doing so.
post #41 of 45
It was my decision to take remove the thread.

Recently, there have been a variety of annoyances on the forum that we've had to deal with which many of you are not necessarily aware of. Frankly, I envisioned one scenario (not disimilar to the one in the thread) where the discussion would stay appropriate and respectful, and about one million in which the shit would hit the fan in short order. I did not want to have to deal with that. I hope that you all understand my decision; and if you do not agree with it, please respect it nonetheless.

If you feel like discussing the topic, please keep it contained to this thread.

Thanks guys,

Fok.
post #42 of 45
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Originally Posted by Aus_MD
Unfortunately not all people are reasonable people. I was once a whistleblower when a medical colleague was involved with c**** P**********. The organization's response was quite unreasonable, to put it mildly. Aus_MD
Perhaps it was because he or she had donor relations.
post #43 of 45
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Originally Posted by mussel

What's to discuss? What kind of solutions you guys can come up with to combat the problem?


How about encouraging parents, teachers and other caretakers to become more aware of the different ways children can become vulnerable; encouraging parents to talk to their children about what behaviors are appropriate and not appropriate from adults; encouraging parents to develop open communication with their children, so that when an adult does something to make the child feel uncomfortable, they have no hesitation in telling their parent or another caretaker; informing people what types of behavior to be concerned about and report to appropriate authorities...

However widespread this issue might be, it isn't exactly high-tech, complex or sophisticated -- it seems to me it's laregely an awareness and communication issue. Unfortunately, there always have always been, and always will be twisted individuals and neglected and vulnerable children, but there's absolutely no reason intelligent, concerned people can't make a meaningful impact on the issue.
post #44 of 45
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Originally Posted by matadorpoeta
j, may we have an answer on this?
If you need a fast answer on something, you'll need to at least PM me if not email me. I don't mind getting email. I can't (and won't) keep up with every thread.

I saw the thread, I saw that Fok moved it, I was ambivalent on the decision - I agree that it's something that shouldn't be swept under the rug, but I could also see it getting out of hand pretty easily. Frankly, I was happy that he made the call, because I didn't really want to worry about it.

And yeah, I don't really want the board to be spammed with disturbing keyword strings, but I am not that worried about it.

Maybe we should merge the threads? I don't know. If a moderator feels like watching the thread, we can bring it back.
post #45 of 45
Thread Starter 
l.a. guy and j,

thank you for the responses.

j,
i didn't need a fast reply, but i figured since it took less than a day to remove the original thread, it wouldn't take so long to respond to the second one.

anyway, the original purpose of the thread was to post those alarming figures i heard and see if they surprised anyone else.
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