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post #16 of 20
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Yes, I believe you are correct, although the dash of bitters would be the most debatable of all points martini. It was only brought up by a customer two or three times.

Oh no, it's not debatable actually. Spirits, modifier, bitters = technical definition of a cocktail. It's just that the use of bitters has generally fallen out of use/convention, particularly so with the Martini. I myself, did not discover all of this until recently.

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Really? Is that a type of martini i.e The Perfect Martini or the most accurate reproduction of the martini drink?

Do a Google for "perfect martini recipe" and you'll get links stating that the "perfect" required both sweet and dry vermouth.
post #17 of 20
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Really? Is that a type of martini i.e The Perfect Martini or the most accurate reproduction of the martini drink?

You're not supposed to shake the clear alcohols because it clouds them, right?

Correct, it is a type of martini...as in the perfect martini has only dry vermouth but a perfect martini has both sweet and dry. And you are also correct that the reason for stirring and not shaking is because the latter clouds the cocktail (and they actually do taste different). Unless I'm mistaken.
post #18 of 20
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post
Oh no, it's not debatable actually. Spirits, modifier, bitters = technical definition of a cocktail. It's just that the use of bitters has generally fallen out of use/convention, particularly so with the Martini. I myself, did not discover all of this until recently.

OK, you win, I guess. My point was that only like .02% of the people I served requested bitters in their martinis. For the most part they just wanted cold VODKA with a olive
post #19 of 20
2oz Junipero
0.25oz Vya dry vermouth
1 dash orange bitters, stirred with ice separately then strained into a cocktail glass.
Garnish with 1 olive

Everything else strives to be this.

But for real, these Jager-slamming, Goose chugging DBs need to lay off using the word 'tini' in order to feel sophisticated when ordering 2oz sugar +1oz vodka.
post #20 of 20
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Originally Posted by Faded501s View Post
There's going to be a lot of different opinions on this but, having served thousands of martinis to the affluent, my take on it is this:

A true martini is 2oz gin and 5-6 drops of dry vermouth, stirred with ice and strained into an "up" (martini) glass and garnished with an olive. I understand that originally (or so I've been told and wiki confirms this) that a martini calls for 1/5 vermouth. In my book a "dry martini" only has 1 drop of vermouth and an "extra dry" has 1 drop swirled around the glass and "whipped out".

When a martini is ordered though, I found it unavoidable to ask "gin or vodka?" because well over half (probably 70%+) want vodka. Most seemed oblivious that a martini was made with anything other than vodka

As far as the shaved ice goes you are essentially getting to the core of what makes a "good" martini. The object is to chill the liquor as cold as you can without diluting it with water from the ice. Essentially, if you have an up glass and a bottle in the freezer all you have to do is add 1-6 drops of vermouth and your garnish (olive) and you have the "perfect martini". The shaved ice comes from shaking a martini, which also seems to be the "standard" now (as opposed to stirring a martini as a purist would). A sign of a "good" shaken martini is little shards of ice floating in the top of the cocktail after it has been poured through a strainer.

I was told, and find it true, that being a bartender is more about showmanship than anything else. My recipe for the "perfect martini" was as follows:

1) Add ice to an up glass and fill it with soda water.
2) Put my finger over the Vermouth pourer and carefully add 6 drops to the mixing tumbler.
3) Add a 2 count (2 oz) of alcohol to the mixing tumbler.
4) Add 5-6 cubes of ice to the tumbler and shake like hell for about 5 seconds, rest 2 seconds and shake like hell for another 5 seconds all while pouring the ice/water out of your glass and "whipping" the excess droplets onto the ground.
5) Strain the cocktail into the glass so that it comes nearly level with the rim and (this is what will really impress the customer) shake twice to get every last drop into the glass.
6) Set the martini in front of the customer and add your olive, which should push the martini just over the rim of the glass without any of it "bursting the bubble" and dribbling out. At this point the customer should have to lean over and sip the drink before picking it up

But yeah, all the appletinis, chocolatinis, etc. are just complete bastardizations of what is basically chilled vodka.

I certainly don't want to argue with a pro, but in cocktail books from the 30s-40s a Martini is usually mixed at @5/1 ratio of gin to vermouth. I used to drink Martinis made as suggested above, but upon trying the more classic formula I found it to be superior, the higher proportion of vermouth really makes the drink. I sometimes add orange bitters, sometimes I don't, depending upon the gin I am using as a base. With Old Raj or Tanq 10 bitters are unnecessary, with Bombay Sapphire bitters make a great difference.
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