Originally Posted by Roger
In my experience, Borrelli trousers are very slim, with cuff widths well under 9"--some down as low as 8". For me, that's too slim, as it leaves too much of the tops of my size 9.5 shoes exposed, and the cuffs get hung up in the monkstraps or laces. So, I've pretty much given up on Borrelli. However, if you want really slim trousers, they're of great quality. Just be sure to think through the knee and cuff measurements first.
I agree and disagree. I don't particularly want my sport pants (flannels, gabardines, linen etc) to fit like suit pants. I prefer a very narrow bottom with some being as little as 7.5 inches. I don't wear sportcoats to dress up. I do not like Borrelli pants for suits for the reasons you mention, although I have my suit bottoms cut at 8.25" for my 9.5 shoes.
Originally Posted by edmorel
In a price/value equation, none of the above pants can really touch Valentini (wool dress pants). My issue with Oxxford is that their fabrics are quite lacking and the waistband does nothing for me. Kiton makes a nice pants, but no reason to spend that kind of money on them. Brioni makes great wool pants but some of their more casual stuff is quite crap. Incotex is a very nice pant and they actually make pants for the likes of Zegna. Germano also makes a nice pant. RL Blue and Purple Labels are probably the worst "value" for my money. Zanella makes a nice entry level pant which uses better fabrics and is better made than what you are goingto find in the large department stores or the like of Brooks, J Press etc. I think valentini is the sweet spot if you can find them as they use great fabrics, great workmanship and are a relatively affordable $395-495 at retail.
Valentini clearly makes some of the best RTW around. It is not the construction that is different, to me, but the cut and the detailing. Also Rota makes a very nice pant but it is almost never seen in these parts. Oxxford's construction is overrated. They do more handwork, but still use machines where it really matters like the seat seam. They offer nothing to me that the Italian brands do not.