Originally Posted by imatlas
Tactfully said, Nick.
Not to say that there's anything inherently wrong with making them in India, but if they're really going after the Florsheim-retro vibe and charm, they really should be making them in the US. Especially if they're going to be priced in the AE to Alden range.
Originally Posted by RIDER
Actually, if you knew what I know, I would hope you'd think there was something very much wrong with manufacturing in India. I think it is 'inherently' wrong to profit off of the un-protected, abused, economically and environmentally left for dead, faceless and hopeless workers that provide the hands of production in the tanning, leather and shoe manufacturing region of India.
And to encourage it by buying the goods imported here...well -
Originally Posted by RIDER
I'm not really sure what the solution is.....I'm only a dreamer and an idealist, so I'm the wrong person to ask. The only thing I know, from the 3 smuggled video's I have seen and the two conversations I have had with 2 different factories that went there to see about working in India (one to buy material the other a Spanish factory where the daughter runs the show but her father still owns the factory - he sent her there to see about production - and she told me 'it's very, very sad what I saw') is that it is far worse than most other places of cheap labor production. And, for sure, I am no expert on worldwide manufacturing facilities but I do know a few people.....and have visited factories in China, here and obviously many in Italy....and one who would know said that Vietnam was like Paris compared to India. In the end, we all vote with our wallets.
Actually, in my opinion it's even worse to make goods in these places and then label from a factory's home country. There are plenty of 'Italian' goods on the market made mostly in Rumania, Egypt, Ethiopia, etc. Hell, Allen Edmonds makes alot of production in the DR and labels 'Made in USA'. At least India goods actually say 'Made in India', even though you often have to hunt for the origin label. Better than lying, I guess.
I'm perfectly aware of the price/class issue - and understand the access to goods based on this. And there is hardly a good solution in this regard. But, for those that can afford to be picky, please do.
I'm a bit surprised India would be worse than China. And as horrible as the conditions are, I suppose capitalism obliges me to say (a) that many of the people doing this work would probably have no jobs if Florsheim or some other exploitative manufacturer wasn't employing them and (b) I'd prefer our money go to India rather than to nominally Communist, command-economy China.
That being said, more and more manufacturers are displacing production from the US or England to India, and lax labelling laws in other countries allow them to do that while keeping prices high and pocketing the difference (thus not raising the workers' quality of life much or helping the consumers' pocketbook). The rumor is that Loake, Grenson and Barkers have been having most of their shoes made there, with sometimes some finishing done to get the "made in England" label -- although I think Jinda says he saw some "made in India"-labelled Grensons somewhere. _Sometimes_ quality suffers with this outsourcing, sometimes not; sometimes the quality of a brand declines as it chases lower-price consumer market share.
I believe the Duckie Brown Florsheims are pretty expensive, aren't they?