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post #1 of 32
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My, this is different. 1) Forgiveness I started out in a less than conciliatory fashion with some serious annoyance because of all the pre-first day of class assignments. I'm cool now -- most of those who assigned a great deal of work are new to evening students. I still think more than nominal work is inappropriate though. 2) Professors. All are excellent, some are AWESOME. These people are so very human, very decent people, and they aren't afraid to let that part of them show. I have profs who've spent their lives in public interest, those who've worked at the UN, former clerks for big-name justices, and (I presume) well-paid partners. My Contracts prof is firmly in awesomeland -- I hate to repeat myself, but she is just very human: acknowledging the joy, the pain, the clarity, and the ambiguity of the law. And also its occasional stupidity. She has and articulates her passion for what ought to be a really dull subject. One other Prof, who I expected to be deadly dull and authoritarian turned out to be very serious and very stern, but incredibly, has this dry yet natural humor that can have the class in stitches at his whim. I feel so used. I wish engineering profs could pass along passion in this way (one of the reasons I had really wanted to teach Eng) or be as well-rounded in a way that helps with the connection to the students. 3) The work It's not hard in the sense that solving differential equations can be hard -- that there are a thousand roads to go down and only one will work. But there is a LOT of it. I have forced myself to become ultra-efficient, and seriously reliant on the technology. 4) The Lifestyle. Hard to get used to the 17h days and studying 12h/day each weekend. I have really lost my sense of time because each day feels like two. And the 2+ hr commute each way is such a time sink, fortunately 45m is on a train -- the redemption of my day. It is getting better as I get used to what I'm doing and what to look for. I am, however, seriously in need of a girlfriend and am not sure how this will work out -- I have zero time. Unless she's a law student. 5) The Peer Group Great thus far. Waaaaaaaay more committed than my undergrad colleagues, naturally. Such a diverse set of backgrounds, also -- far more than I expected. The ice-breaker question for evening students seems to be "so, what was your undergrad?" Whenever I say 'engineering' the reply is always, "oh, going for patent?" So many are there with major focus on work that helps people -- almost feel bad heading toward patent. We are rarities, and my colleauges are very inquisitive -- "this must be easy for you," "the world is your oyster," etc -- it's a little weird. Also, nice to not be the oldest student in class all the time. I do not see the drama I often hear about in law school -- perhaps because we are all working people with a real level of commitment it is different. We did have a 'mixer' with the day students once, and I'm afraid I left early because I felt so disconnected with them. Others felt the same, I later found out. I feel some real camaraderie in a way I didn't in undergrad -- there it was mainly based in how much you hated the Prof. Here it is in shared goals, shared burdens, and respect. I miss greatly the immersion I dreamed of when I first considered this path -- that I would go full time and have a bit of a do-over of the college thing, but I really couldn't ask for more from this experience. I hope to do it the same justice. ~ Huntsman
post #2 of 32
Sounds great so far. I hope you continue to enjoy it and flourish, H.
post #3 of 32
Great to hear you're excited about school. That's half the battle. If there's a will, there's a way. I think you might be blessed with the evening crowd being older and with day time jobs. You avoid most of the troublemakers, who usually just came straight from undergrad--and thus never really grew up. Anyway, keep on keeping on. It'll be all over in a flash. And then the bar exam craziness. But I'm just getting way ahead here.
post #4 of 32
It's pretty hard on me as a full-timer, I can't imagine your dedication as a part-timer working a reasonably intense job. In any case, there's no more time for silly clothing games.
post #5 of 32
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Originally Posted by Huntsman View Post
My, this is different.

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~ Huntsman

Though I have never been to law school just taken the LSAT and done average, I look forward to your assessment in November/October.
post #6 of 32
Which school do you attend? You can PM if you'd rather not put in a public forum.
post #7 of 32
Keep up with the good work. Major props for going thru this.
post #8 of 32
Sounds like you're off to a great start. I hope it continues to go well. What you're doing, and the way you're doing it is admirable.
post #9 of 32
An evening program? Those take about 6 years, correct?
post #10 of 32
I continue to wish you good luck. I'm glad that you enjoy your profs. I think the experience of day students versus night students must be very different. Or maybe our schools are just very different.
post #11 of 32
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Originally Posted by Huntsman View Post
My, this is different. 1) Forgiveness I started out in a less than conciliatory fashion with some serious annoyance because of all the pre-first day of class assignments. I'm cool now -- most of those who assigned a great deal of work are new to evening students. I still think more than nominal work is inappropriate though. 2) Professors. All are excellent, some are AWESOME. These people are so very human, very decent people, and they aren't afraid to let that part of them show. I have profs who've spent their lives in public interest, those who've worked at the UN, former clerks for big-name justices, and (I presume) well-paid partners. My Contracts prof is firmly in awesomeland -- I hate to repeat myself, but she is just very human: acknowledging the joy, the pain, the clarity, and the ambiguity of the law. And also its occasional stupidity. She has and articulates her passion for what ought to be a really dull subject. One other Prof, who I expected to be deadly dull and authoritarian turned out to be very serious and very stern, but incredibly, has this dry yet natural humor that can have the class in stitches at his whim. I feel so used. I wish engineering profs could pass along passion in this way (one of the reasons I had really wanted to teach Eng) or be as well-rounded in a way that helps with the connection to the students. 3) The work It's not hard in the sense that solving differential equations can be hard -- that there are a thousand roads to go down and only one will work. But there is a LOT of it. I have forced myself to become ultra-efficient, and seriously reliant on the technology. 4) The Lifestyle. Hard to get used to the 17h days and studying 12h/day each weekend. I have really lost my sense of time because each day feels like two. And the 2+ hr commute each way is such a time sink, fortunately 45m is on a train -- the redemption of my day. It is getting better as I get used to what I'm doing and what to look for. I am, however, seriously in need of a girlfriend and am not sure how this will work out -- I have zero time. Unless she's a law student. 5) The Peer Group Great thus far. Waaaaaaaay more committed than my undergrad colleagues, naturally. Such a diverse set of backgrounds, also -- far more than I expected. The ice-breaker question for evening students seems to be "so, what was your undergrad?" Whenever I say 'engineering' the reply is always, "oh, going for patent?" So many are there with major focus on work that helps people -- almost feel bad heading toward patent. We are rarities, and my colleauges are very inquisitive -- "this must be easy for you," "the world is your oyster," etc -- it's a little weird. Also, nice to not be the oldest student in class all the time. I do not see the drama I often hear about in law school -- perhaps because we are all working people with a real level of commitment it is different. We did have a 'mixer' with the day students once, and I'm afraid I left early because I felt so disconnected with them. Others felt the same, I later found out. I feel some real camaraderie in a way I didn't in undergrad -- there it was mainly based in how much you hated the Prof. Here it is in shared goals, shared burdens, and respect. I miss greatly the immersion I dreamed of when I first considered this path -- that I would go full time and have a bit of a do-over of the college thing, but I really couldn't ask for more from this experience. I hope to do it the same justice. ~ Huntsman
That almost made me fall off my chair laughing.. Dude, by the end of first year they will be fiending for biglaw or something similar. Half of the fucking naive law students come into law school thinking they will do public interest, save the homeless homo whales or some shit like that. Then most of them realize how stupid and naive they are. It's kind of like people pursuing international business or international law...
post #12 of 32
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Originally Posted by Xiaogou View Post
An evening program? Those take about 6 years, correct?

4, usually.
post #13 of 32
H, I'm glad it's starting off in such a positive vein. With respect to the work, you're obviously right that it's not hard in the sense of higher math. To state what you probably already know, I would add that the key challenge, in addition to keeping up with the amount of work, is maintaining the ability to not only take in that large volume of information but also to synthesize it and recognize underlying structures and patterns. The forest for the trees and all that. Outlines, secondary articles, etc. can be fairly helpful in helping to maintain a sense of the beast's overall exoskeleton underneath all of those scales.
post #14 of 32
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Originally Posted by Flambeur View Post
It's kind of like people pursuing international business or international law...

Yes, that never goes anywhere.



H - props to you, I know how hard it is from a family member in evening classes. Glad you are adjusting well to it.
post #15 of 32
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4, usually.

Yeah, Mrs. T is starting her fourth year and should be done by May or August.

Huntsman: It sounds like you're starting off on the right foot and I wish you luck.
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