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post #61 of 76
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Originally Posted by The False Prophet
I'm 21, 35" chest, 29" waist, and thinking about a career in the law.

I see no obstacle whatsoever to wearing DBs. They need to have, I think, a highish button stance for my body shape, heavily waisted, and fairly soft shoulders. The only thing that will bug me is that if I'm in court and constantly standing up and down, a 4x2 (my preferred config) is a nuisance to button and unbutton...

You really don't need to unbutton your DB when you sit down. And it probably looks best if you only unbutton it to take it off completely.

I have a theory - entirely unprovable - that some of the resentment which occasionally greets Manton's posts comes from people believing that he wrote the rules since they have heard something about a book and can see his penchant for the discussing the origins of certain dressing customs.
post #62 of 76
Two pictures of the 4x1 shawl DJ:



post #63 of 76
One of the benefits of working for oneself is not having to kowtow to other's ideas of what is or isn't appropriate dress (that's not to say I'd wear a off-white linen suit for my daily business affairs).

While I prefer single breasted suits, I find that for the right time and place a nice DB suit can be quite appealing and fashionable.
post #64 of 76
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Originally Posted by Teacher
Pleats were around on suits and other trousers in the 1930's, long before any national weight problem.

True but irrelevant. They were resurrected to hide obesisty. Unlike most here, I was an ADULT when this came about and I remember the explicit articles saying why the pleats were being brought back. Period.

M8
post #65 of 76
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Originally Posted by Martinis at 8
True but irrelevant. They were resurrected to hide obesisty. Unlike most here, I was an ADULT when this came about and I remember the explicit articles saying why the pleats were being brought back. Period.

M8

Someone may have written an article, but that doesn't make it so. Pleats do nothing for a big belly (at least, not as far as fit is concerned), and flat-front trousers can (and are) cut full enough to accommodate the largest of thighs and posteriors.
post #66 of 76
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Originally Posted by Teacher
Someone may have written an article, but that doesn't make it so. Pleats do nothing for a big belly (at least, not as far as fit is concerned), and flat-front trousers can (and are) cut full enough to accommodate the largest of thighs and posteriors.

Not just an article. It was the talk in the industry. As I mentioned in one of my introductory posts, my grandfather was a tailor.

The pleats don't hide the belly, but they do assist in creating a visual illusion of an hour-glass shape to balance the belly/tire.

I've got infinite stamina for this if you care to continue with the debate

M8
post #67 of 76
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Originally Posted by Martinis at 8
I've got infinite stamina for this if you care to continue with the debate

M8

If your 129 posts (and more to come, I'm sure) can attest to anything, it is that.
post #68 of 76
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Originally Posted by whoopee
If your 129 posts (and more to come, I'm sure) can attest to anything, it is that.

Tee-hee Well I did take a 2-day break for a short gig. Don't worry, I leave for West Africa next Friday, and won't be posting for a month or more.

M8

P.S. I'm taking notes on those who are nasty to me
post #69 of 76
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Originally Posted by Martinis at 8
Tee-hee P.S. I'm taking notes on those who are nasty to me



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Raymond Babbitt: Number eighteen in 1988, Charlie Babbitt squeezed and pulled and hurt my neck in 1988.
post #70 of 76
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Originally Posted by Martinis at 8
Not just an article. It was the talk in the industry. As I mentioned in one of my introductory posts, my grandfather was a tailor.

The pleats don't hide the belly, but they do assist in creating a visual illusion of an hour-glass shape to balance the belly/tire.


M8

Yes, you're right about that. My initial response was to your assertion that "pleated pants came about as a result of increased fatness, and decreased fitness;" this made it sound like they were more or less invented for this purpose, which is untrue. Pleats have more purpose than just making for a nicer transition from belly to thigh.

However, it would be naive to believe that something like pleats came back for a single purpose. In fact, pleats come and go because...well, just because that's how trends are. When I was selling men's tailored clothing, just about every heavy guy in his fifties and sixties refused to even try on pleated trousers because (1.) they never wore them in the first place and (2.) they thought pleated trousers made them look bigger.
post #71 of 76
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Originally Posted by chorse123
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Originally Posted by aybojs
(one that matters far more than New York, no less!).


Are you sure?

NYC = 10,000,000 cases of Myopia.
post #72 of 76
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Originally Posted by whoopee
If your 129 posts (and more to come, I'm sure) can attest to anything, it is that.

whoopee, when you mentioned Martinis at 8's post count I happened to glance at yours and it was 666, not an accusation just an observation.
post #73 of 76
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Originally Posted by Teacher
Yes, you're right about that. My initial response was to your assertion that "pleated pants came about as a result of increased fatness, and decreased fitness;" this made it sound like they were more or less invented for this purpose, which is untrue. Pleats have more purpose than just making for a nicer transition from belly to thigh.

However, it would be naive to believe that something like pleats came back for a single purpose. In fact, pleats come and go because...well, just because that's how trends are. When I was selling men's tailored clothing, just about every heavy guy in his fifties and sixties refused to even try on pleated trousers because (1.) they never wore them in the first place and (2.) they thought pleated trousers made them look bigger.

Well, yes, they do come and go, or at least have in the past. But this time round they have been with us since the late 70's, early 80's. That's a long time for a cyclical fashion. I think it is due to the balancing look it gives to the overweight. I think for the athletic-looking or slim male, the pleats just don't look right.

M8
post #74 of 76
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Originally Posted by LabelKing
The 6x2 rolled is a much better option if at all.


why is this picture..uh.. backwards? with the jacket buttoning the wrong way and the breast pocket on the wrong side.

am i missing something?
post #75 of 76
It's been mirrored.
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