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post #91 of 177
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Originally Posted by randallr View Post
Have you watched Novak? He hits with "pace" consistently. He just doesn't step up and crush it he hits very hard and deep with almost every groundstroke. Players like Nadal can hit with power but don't really play with pace, there strokes are veryyyyy spin heavy but he can flatten it out and hit with power if he wants.
Ehh Nadal has a pretty heavy forehand my friend. He's often hitting the ball very hard well beyond the service line. In fact by far one of the biggest forehands on tour belongs to Gonzalez and often it is anything but flat. Still, can someone please give me an intelligible definition of "pace" that differs from power? You basically said that pace = a flat ball... so effectively Blake has the most pace off the forehand of anyone?
post #92 of 177
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Originally Posted by SField View Post
Ehh Nadal has a pretty heavy forehand my friend. He's often hitting the ball very hard well beyond the service line. In fact by far one of the biggest forehands on tour belongs to Gonzalez and often it is anything but flat.

Still, can someone please give me an intelligible definition of "pace" that differs from power? You basically said that pace = a flat ball... so effectively Blake has the most pace off the forehand of anyone?

I wouldn't really say Nadal has a huge forehand. I would say pace=hitting with power consistently.
post #93 of 177
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Originally Posted by randallr View Post
I wouldn't really say Nadal has a huge forehand. I would say pace=hitting with power consistently.

ok so someone with a lot of power.

And re: nadal, you'd probably be in the minority.
post #94 of 177
Verdasco should've won today; I've never seen Djokovic play so badly. Verdasco was throwing forehands all over the court. He had it. I want to see Gonzalez/Del Potro beat Nadal.
post #95 of 177
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Originally Posted by SField View Post
ok so someone with a lot of power.

And re: nadal, you'd probably be in the minority.

Define it for me, smarty pants. It's just a fucken word, there is a such thing as a synonym you know.
post #96 of 177
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Originally Posted by pseudonym View Post
Verdasco should've won today; I've never seen Djokovic play so badly. Verdasco was throwing forehands all over the court. He had it.

I want to see Gonzalez/Del Potro beat Nadal.

I agree his body was so far ahead of his racket on his forehand side and his RoS was awful. I don't get it.
post #97 of 177
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Originally Posted by SField View Post
Can someone please explain to me the difference between pace and raquet speed/power? I mean Macenroe and Marry Jo were kind of laughing about the misuse of this word, and I must say I kind of find it funny when people say that someone generates a lot of "pace" off his serve. This is definitely a word that has come up a lot more often lately and seems quite trendy as well on this forum. It takes more than one successive stroke to establish a pace, and unless it's a power hitting baseline rally with just a bunch of flat groundstrokes, it makes no sense whatsoever, though people insist on using the word pace when they really mean to just say power.
Its essentially a synonym but I'd define pace as speed + depth + movement. Shots that keep the player moving constantly and the ability to move the ball around the court while still having power behind the shot. Not just hitting the shit out of the ball.
post #98 of 177
Who is the hottie sitting next to The Donald tonight?
post #99 of 177
Federer is looking damn sharp.
post #100 of 177
Yes, but more importantly, who is the hottie?
post #101 of 177
I really thought Soderling would pull out the 4th set. Great effort to turn things around.
post #102 of 177
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Originally Posted by cheessus View Post
I really thought Soderling would pull out the 4th set. Great effort to turn things around.

He had the chance.

Sucks how he just decided to play amazingly in the 3rd set, after being served a bagel.
post #103 of 177
Federer was hitting some unreal shots in that match. Great play by Soderling in the final two sets, though. The final tiebreak where they had a little exchange with aces from 4-3 to 4-5 to 5-5 had me on the edge of my seat.

Watching the post-match chat, it seemed to me that Federer comes across just about as gracious and down-to-earth as I imagine a guy in his position can be.
post #104 of 177
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Originally Posted by MetroStyles View Post
Federer is looking damn sharp.

+1
post #105 of 177
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Originally Posted by Rambo View Post
Its essentially a synonym but I'd define pace as speed + depth + movement. Shots that keep the player moving constantly and the ability to move the ball around the court while still having power behind the shot. Not just hitting the shit out of the ball.

Essentially +1.

The main difference is in the description of the players as a whole package... If you are describing a player defined by their power (because their game lacks other tact) then often they are described as a 'power' player. Carlos Moya and his FH come to mind. But as semantics go, announcers will very often say of say, Roddick, that he has a lot of 'pace' on his FH.

Pace, is in IMO used to described more well rounded players that merely have pace as a result of proper technique and developed skill. Almost a side-effect to proper play. That said, pace never necessarily means 'fast'.
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