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post #1 of 34
8/31/09 at 6:37pm
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The man:






The music:








Give it up for the biggest badass in Jazz.
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post #2 of 34
8/31/09 at 8:01pm
+oo
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post #3 of 34
8/31/09 at 8:28pm
Read his autobiography.....Beneath The Underdog while playing his discography.

My all time favorite composition of his.......Orange Was the Color of Her Dress, Then Silk Blue from my favorite album Changes Two.
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post #4 of 34
8/31/09 at 8:38pm
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Read his autobiography.....Beneath The Underdog while playing his discography.

My all time favorite composition of his.......Orange Was the Color of Her Dress, Then Silk Blue from my favorite album Changes Two.




I see you are in NYC. If you haven't already, make sure to check out the Mingus big band or one of the other equality great Mingus ensembles. They used to play at Iridium, but now they are playing Mondays at the Jazz Standard. Great repertoire (all-mingus), great energy. Probably the best ensemble in the city.
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post #5 of 34
8/31/09 at 8:59pm
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I see you are in NYC. If you haven't already, make sure to check out the Mingus big band or one of the other equality great Mingus ensembles. They used to play at Iridium, but now they are playing Mondays at the Jazz Standard. Great repertoire (all-mingus), great energy. Probably the best ensemble in the city.

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Imitation is suicide.




I came up listening to Mingus almost 24/7...like 23/7 or so...now I can't hardly listen to him for some reason. That said, I can't stand the Mingus Big Band...blech...
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post #6 of 34
8/31/09 at 9:03pm
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I came up listening to Mingus almost 24/7...like 23/7 or so...now I can't hardly listen to him for some reason. That said, I can't stand the Mingus Big Band...blech...



That's your problem. You are just tired of Mingus' awesomeness I guess.

P.S I don't get your use of quotations.
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post #7 of 34
8/31/09 at 10:17pm
My favorite Mingus album is Mingus Ah Um, which features "Better Git It in Your Soul" and "Goodbye, Porkpie Hat". However, I also recommend listening to the live albums recorded with the great altoist/bass clarinetist Eric Dolphy (e.g. Cornell - March 18, 1964).
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post #8 of 34
8/31/09 at 10:29pm
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post #9 of 34
8/31/09 at 11:13pm
The Mingus Big Band is a commercialized "traditional" approach to something that was created to be organic...that's why I thought it was funny that you were speaking so highly of them and referencing your signature....ok, so when you go to the white board of comedy to sketch it out, its not that funny, but I at least amused myself. Mingus is great, but after a while its like...well...saying the Beatles are great. Not to be rude, but its, no schitt. It be better if you could tell me who is doing anything like that now...really approaching the music like he was.
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post #10 of 34
8/31/09 at 11:57pm
Folk Forms #1 off of Charles Mingus Plays Charles Mingus. freakin' punk rock before there was punk rock.

-Jeff
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post #11 of 34
9/1/09 at 1:23am
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The Mingus Big Band is a commercialized "traditional" approach to something that was created to be organic...that's why I thought it was funny that you were speaking so highly of them and referencing your signature....ok, so when you go to the white board of comedy to sketch it out, its not that funny, but I at least amused myself.

Mingus is great, but after a while its like...well...saying the Beatles are great. Not to be rude, but its, no schitt. It be better if you could tell me who is doing anything like that now...really approaching the music like he was.



If you consider the Mingus Big Band "traditional" and commercialized please tell me what big bands you are listening to today...because I could not disagree more. Traditional would be something like the Vanguard band. Commercialized would be something like Gordon Goodwin's Big Phat Band. The Mingus groups on the other hand feature untraditional orchestrations, modern arrangements and forward thinking interpretations. This is of course speaking in terms of mainstream. If avant garde is what you are looking for, and it seems like you might, then I would agree and say the Mingus bands are traditional in comparison. But then so is Charles Mingus.
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post #12 of 34
9/1/09 at 3:22am
I clicked on this thread because I read the title too quickly and thought it said "Charles Manson appreciation thread"
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post #13 of 34
9/1/09 at 3:44am
One of the greats, Platano.

For anyone in NYC, Paul Motian and his trio are at the Village Vanguard this week and they always bring one or two mean Mingus interpretations in their set. Check it out before the old geezer kicks it.
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post #14 of 34
9/1/09 at 9:02am
I would second the Paul Motian. The issue I have with the Mingus Big Band is that its not moving anything forward, its just celebrating the music in a stagnent fashion. That's what I mean by traditional, they are establishing it as a traditional group when the original music was nothing of the sort.
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post #15 of 34
9/1/09 at 11:05am
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If you consider the Mingus Big Band "traditional" and commercialized please tell me what big bands you are listening to today...because I could not disagree more. Traditional would be something like the Vanguard band. Commercialized would be something like Gordon Goodwin's Big Phat Band. The Mingus groups on the other hand feature untraditional orchestrations, modern arrangements and forward thinking interpretations. This is of course speaking in terms of mainstream. If avant garde is what you are looking for, and it seems like you might, then I would agree and say the Mingus bands are traditional in comparison. But then so is Charles Mingus.

Here in Chicago we have Great Black Music Ensemble led by Mwata Bowden (who teaches at the University of Chicago), which arose out of the Association for the Advancement of Creative Musicians (Anthony Braxton, the Art Ensemble of Chicago, Muhal Richard Abrams, Henry Threadgill, et al). While it's only performed a handful of times at full strength, it's shows include literally dozens of musicians (and singers and dancers) on stage at once. The music is far from "mainstream jazz" but still very accessable.
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