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post #31 of 63
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Originally Posted by JLibourel View Post
Never has fazed me to cross a picket line of any sort.

Depending on circumstances, I might be worried about reprisals against my car, though.

The day of the really strong union may be passed but this type of thinking is sad.

I'm of the opinion that now a days unions seem to be hurting them selves more then helping but, I think unions did ALOT to help the average working guy for most of the last century.

I would have found another theater to see the movie.
post #32 of 63
I grew up in a town where everyone works at the same fabrication plant. The town basically built up around it.
At one point when I was in high school, the company locked out the union members. Just like that. (Yes, there was a brief negotiation but more about that later...)
Anyway, scabs started pouring in left and right into the town so there was basically a war.
Scabs are at least ONE of the lowest forms of human life. But fortunately, the union was built up of hard assed guys who were protecting every bit of their livelihoods. They built that plant and made it what it was for the owners, without doubt, some putting in as many as 45 years before just being locked out.
So anyway, it was basically a war. People carried guns, scabs' tires were slashed en mass, rocks were thrown at the entrance to the plant. Eventually the scabs (most were dolts who took someone else's job because they were too unqualified and uneducated to find their own jobs) started fighting amongst themselves. There were ambulances at the plant every day because none of them knew how to use the equipment properly and lots of fistfights between management and scab.
You couldn't really go out after dark if you weren't in the union as a guy.

Anyway, much like the current health care reform situation, most people who were critical of the unions had absolutely no knowledge of the history of the plant, unions, lock outs or specifically how and why they'd been locked out. And much like many republicans today, they didn't care. They made up their mind because 'unions are bad! Fuck unions!'
Typical in America, to say the least. Usually the ones are who the loudest lack the most knowledge.

So this goes on for 3 years because the case was tied up in court with the National Labor Board investigating. In that time, scabs came in and out but very few stayed long because to be safe, they'd have to live so far away (some up to 2 hours away) just so their homes weren't targeted. I heard stories about some scabs who had replaced upwards of 30+ tires in a year's time.

And as it goes, the National Labor Board ruled in favor of the workers citing about 40 pages of where the company had failed to deal in good faith, broke contracts, broke contract promises, hid profit reports and sharing, denied health insurance, etc. etc. Forty pages of treating American workers like shit and slime with evidence to back every bit of it.

So part of the ruling was backpay. One of my relatives was paid almost 3 years wages and back pay for unhonored insurance debt that the companies refused to pay. The scabs were thrown out, many of the people who brought the scabs in (upper management) had to leave the town and all was good in the world again.

And I reiterate: Everyone is welcome to their own opinions but I've met very few anti-union people who have ever studied unions, their history, why they were necessary, why they might be less necessary these days, collective bargaining, labor boards, etc. As I said, the people who are loudest against things are usually the ones least educated about whatever it is they are against. And that's because when people make up their minds, they usually do so by justifying it with a personal experience and without actually knowing what it is they're against. Study the mine wars, the origins of the union, how unions were the only reason that workers were getting treated humanly at all (yes, we're enjoying now the hard work that went into establishing a fair work environment, mostly by unions).

I'm not in a field where a union is required or would be helpful. But I do know that corporations treat their workers like shit most of the time and the workers take it because they have no balls and they're up to their neck in debt. Wal Mart is a perfect example of exploiting American workers who are frantic for any employment they can get.
But I think it's laughable when people thoughtlessly side with corporate giants who would slit that person's throats for just a few dollars of extra profit. They would take away your lunch if they could, they would cut your wages if they thought they could get away with it and you would certainly not have paid vacations or sick days.
The bottom line in this corporate America is profit. Period.
And anything and anyone who gets between the company and their dollars will be mowed down in so far that they can actually get away with it. Having a watchdog around to ensure that people don't get fucked in the process isn't a bad idea.

Unless you're one of the guys without a soul whose job it is to crack whips and slit workers' throats.
People will work hard if they're happy. They're more productive when they're happy. Somehow, overseas, companies have taken this to heart. In America, it's still line up, punch the card, keep your head down and your ideas to yourself until you hear the bell ring at the end of the day.
post #33 of 63
I have never crossed a picket line and I never would. Not crossing the picket line is not just for people who are going in to do the job of the people who are working, it's also a show of solidarity by people who support labor. More pressure is put on the movie theater to re-hire them if customers are refusing to cross the picket line. And yes, you are an ass.
post #34 of 63
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Originally Posted by algernon View Post
I grew up in a town where everyone works at the same fabrication plant. The town basically built up around it.

And that's because when people make up their minds, they usually do so by justifying it with a personal experience and without actually knowing what it is they're against.

I feel I have a fairly balanced view of things. I particularly respect your views on this topic. I definitely agree with your recommendation to study the history. Nevertheless, these two sentences make the rest of this post amusing.
post #35 of 63
I am not in favour of unions and I applaud Thatcher for taking away many of their powers. However, with the excuse of the so-called "financial crisis", the way most employers treat their employees is disgraceful. For this reason, at this moment in time I support rational, reasonable and legal industrial action.
post #36 of 63
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Originally Posted by algernon View Post
Unless you're one of the guys without a soul whose job it is to crack whips and slit workers' throats.
Your whole post brought tears to my eyes. This sentence was the best though. Perfectly summarized one of the major aspects of my job that totally eff'ing rocks and I love about my job!
post #37 of 63
I remember i crossed the picket line at ralph's a few years back when they were striking, and as i walked in i go the dirtiest looks possible
post #38 of 63
Unions have definitely done a lot of good in the past but it seems like that has all changed. The whole idea behind the modern union is more money for less work. I've seen it so many times and unions just annoy me now. I wish I could cross picket lines more often.
post #39 of 63
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Originally Posted by Johnny_5 View Post
Unions have definitely done a lot of good in the past but it seems like that has all changed. The whole idea behind the modern union is more money for less work. I've seen it so many times and unions just annoy me now. I wish I could cross picket lines more often.


It's really sad how manny people believe this. As if the rights won can't be lost.
post #40 of 63
It's sad that union workers actually behave the way many people believe they do. I personally know six people who are union workers and they prove all the stereotypes true.
post #41 of 63
"You are a slave to the government for 51% of your working life. And Pres. Obama & Co. want more"-Fredfred.

You do realize that by saying this you are just pandering to terrorists, don't you?
post #42 of 63
There was a strike at a local telecom company a few years ago, I had a University friend who was working there for the summer who crossed the picket line. He told me that the union was so determined to get the people who crossed the picket line, they were sending in people to pose as scabs in order to get a list of everyone who crossed the picket line and gather intel. Naturally those people were kicked out of the union, and if management ever wanted to axe people, the union would insist that they would be the first to be fired. Plus they were circulating the names of these known scabs to other unions across North America to try and blacklist them from working elsewhere.
post #43 of 63
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Originally Posted by unjung View Post
Fuck unions. Ultra-fuck unions made up of fucktards whose job it is to push play on an ancient projection machine. Computers would work better.

And you did not cross the picket line. To cross the picket line means to go work doing the job of those who are striking.

Did exactly this myself. It was all solidarity on the outside, but for years preceding the strike it was backstabbing and consanguinity abuses between those same workers left and right.

Ended up making double overtime for a week straight and earning a killing - was scabalicious, and nary a word was spoken to me.
post #44 of 63
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Originally Posted by odoreater View Post
I have never crossed a picket line and I never would. Not crossing the picket line is not just for people who are going in to do the job of the people who are working, it's also a show of solidarity by people who support labor. More pressure is put on the movie theater to re-hire them if customers are refusing to cross the picket line. And yes, you are an ass.

Labor unions are a throwback to an ancient era but the pendulum has now swung so far the other way that union workers have become highly inefficient and much more costly than non-union workers, threatening the competitiveness of many unionized businesses and industries. Not to mention the ridiculous political and foreign policy

I had to cross a picket line every day for three months to get to work while the teaching assistants were on strike at the university where I work. It was a horrible waste of time and resources and the students suffered the most while the strikers gained nothing from their unrealistic demands.

I also had to cross pickets lines to throw out my trash during the recent municipal workers strike in Toronto. These people were on strike to hold on to their 18 bankable sick days/year that they can cash out when they retire for an extra six months pay. Who the fuck gets to bank 18 sick days/year? If you're sick, use them. If not, why you should get a paid a bonus just for showing up? The sad part is that if you don't allow union workers to nbank sick days, they end up using them up by not showing up for work two days at a time - especially before/after long weekends.
post #45 of 63
Everybody on styleforum is so baller that they are never want or a union to back them up.
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