LL Bean + Rogues Gallery = LL Bean Signature

Originally Posted by dport86

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Oh and by the way, having visited shoe factories in China and Vietnam (never been to El Salvador) having a bunch of 15 year old girls who are locked in and sometimes made to work 24 hour shifts, whatever your political inclinations, is not the best way to get well-made merch...

Actually, sweatshops in China have gotten a lot better. Many less developed countries these days have it much worse (like countries where the vast majority of poor "15 year old girls" who can't get sweatshop jobs become prostitutes). Every single economist actually considers sweatshops important factors to many Asian countries' developments, haha. So as the countries develop and quality of life improves, generally sweatshop workers are paid more, and sometimes even need better, more expensive tools to make their wares. This is why so many companies no longer make things in China: not because of the stigma, but because its simply getting more expensive. I wouldn't be surprised, with the way quality of life is improving even for the poor in China right now, if China's workers continue to improve the quality of their merchandise.

BTW IM NOT trying to argue the fact that these sweatshops make well made merchandise, as good as the handmade Italian ones, etc. I'm merely pointing out a misconception many in developed nations have about sweatshops.

Originally Posted by b-ill

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Just got the Ranger Mocs in the mail. For $80, they are a really great deal. The leather is nice and thick, fit is comfortable, and the stitching looks good considering they're made in El Salvador. They aren't Quoddy but they look to be a pretty good deal at that price point.

Let's see pics!!!

Originally Posted by Yet123

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Actually, sweatshops in China have gotten a lot better. Many less developed countries these days have it much worse (like countries where the vast majority of poor "15 year old girls" who can't get sweatshop jobs become prostitutes). Every single economist actually considers sweatshops important factors to many Asian countries' developments, haha. So as the countries develop and quality of life improves, generally sweatshop workers are paid more, and sometimes even need better, more expensive tools to make their wares. This is why so many companies no longer make things in China: not because of the stigma, but because its simply getting more expensive. I wouldn't be surprised, with the way quality of life is improving even for the poor in China right now, if China's workers continue to improve the quality of their merchandise.

BTW IM NOT trying to argue the fact that these sweatshops make well made merchandise, as good as the handmade Italian ones, etc. I'm merely pointing out a misconception many in developed nations have about sweatshops.

So in what country exactly do the majority of 15 year old girls become prostitutes? God, the Chinese are so lucky to have sweatshops to keep their girls from hooking. please.

Check out some footage shot with permission of factory owners in China where mardi gras beads are made: http://www.carnivalesquefilms.com/Mardi_Gras.html.

Yep, we had sweats shops in America. Remember the Triangle Factory fire? Things got better here. For the vast majority of migrant workers in China, things are not better, they're worse now than they were 5 years ago.

nvm

I just want blacked out Bean boots dammit.

Originally Posted by willy cheesesteak

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I just want blacked out Bean boots dammit.

sounds so sexy...

Originally Posted by justtemple

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sounds so sexy...

Indeed it do. Those would be kopped swift.

got my ranger mocs.
They get all sorts of compliments, and i didnt spend 300$. My feets cant tell the difference.

would also like to see some pics of the mocs that came in for you guys. Also, how's the fit? TTS? I do a 10.5 in Sperrys, which is quite tight, but it stretches out nicely. Can I expect the same with the camp moc and/or blucher moc?

Thanks

Originally Posted by Alec_Jan

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would also like to see some pics of the mocs that came in for you guys. Also, how's the fit? TTS? I do a 10.5 in Sperrys, which is quite tight, but it stretches out nicely. Can I expect the same with the camp moc and/or blucher moc? Thanks
You might want to go down .5 size, depending on what type of socks (if any) you are going to wear with them. I'm a size 8.5 in Indy's and a 9 in Alden Unlined Chukkas (Leydon last). I got a size 9 in these and they are a little big if I have on thin socks.

Bean boots after 2 wears: Saturday night out in the rain in Hollywood, and Sunday in the garden.

Originally Posted by Wolf Among Wolves

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In cod we trust!

if this isn't cape cod/vineyard wear, i don't know what it....

Originally Posted by Wolf Among Wolves

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In cod we trust!

No, no, yes, hell yes, yes, no, hell yes, **** yes, yes, yes, yes.

Originally Posted by willy cheesesteak

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No, no, yes, hell yes, yes, no, hell yes, **** yes, yes, yes, yes.

you sir have good taste.

i'll be ordering the moccasins for sure, but i'm debating on whether to go for the low or mids. at the same time, i'm debating whether to go for leather or suede..