Originally Posted by NoVaguy
The firsts/seconds distinction is kind of illusory with many AE's. I think a lot AE seconds are firsts labelled as such to sell at a lower price, or seconds because of a blemish such as a scuff which polishes out, or because the color didn't meet standards (which is a plus, sometimes).
well these i technically got at retail - discount codes so im pretty sure they are firsts
search.live.com ssearch for allen edmonds find shoebuy giving back 34%
20% off coupon on shoebuy
plus another 10% off for registering and being a first time buyer
and microsoft gives the 34% back
this is how i got them at $153 instead of $325ish