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Allen Edmonds Westgate wholecut

post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 
I went by Bennie's on Piedmont Ave. today. No, they would not give me an advance peek and the Grensons are at the Cobb store with Chris anyway.
However, while I was there I saw the new AE Westgate wholecut, which IMO, is the best looking new model that AE has put out in several decades. Reminds me a lot of Church's New Yorker. Has it been discussed before?
http://www.allenedmonds.com/webapp/w...1&occasion=189
post #2 of 29
Unfortunately, the 360 degree welt really reduces the elegance of this shoe, as does the unnecessarily wide sole extension. Why do A-E insist on the 360 degree welt? The other thing that keeps this shoe from coming close to the EG Newbury, for example, in style/elegance is the sweep of the vamp from the facings out to the toe. There is just not enough concavity, in my opinion, and this makes the profile of the shoe appear a little clumsy.
post #3 of 29
I'd like to see the Westgate in person. The picture on the AE website makes the show look a bit flat (I don't know how else to express this, but the part where the laces are looks too close to horizontal). Then again, the picture of the Drydens looks very similar, but in person the shoes look MUCH better. The Westgates are on the #8 last, right? That's pretty close the #2 last (which the Drydens are on), so I'm very tempted by these. Can anyone comment on how the #8 last compares to the #2 last?
post #4 of 29
i thought the westgate looked impressive when i saw it at the AE store on connecticut avenue. i haven't seen the newbury, though....
post #5 of 29
AE shoes seem plastic and almost cartoonish on that site.
post #6 of 29
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Originally Posted by whoopee
AE shoes seem plastic and almost cartoonish on that site.

I agree. In person at Bennie's it looked more far more slender and actually rather elegant. About 85-90% of the Church New Yorker. On the site it looks rather clunky, but it is not.
post #7 of 29
Stupid question maybe, but how does one find out which shoes are made on which lasts?
post #8 of 29
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Originally Posted by grimslade
Stupid question maybe, but how does one find out which shoes are made on which lasts?

Look inside the shoe -- there's a four-digit code inside, and the last is the final number. If that's not possible, AE can tell you.
post #9 of 29
Wow. Thanks, Doc. That's a big help.
post #10 of 29
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday
Look inside the shoe -- there's a four-digit code inside, and the last is the final number. If that's not possible, AE can tell you.

Just to clarify, there are usually two four-digit numbers side-by-side. The first is the important one here. Thus, 6444 3716 would be made on the 4 last.

Everyone else is right about photographs: AE photographs all their shoes at the same angle. For most designs, this angle maximizes their attractiveness by taking in as much of the design as possible. However, for wholecuts (where contour is far more important because of the lack of other details), this particular angle is unflattering. Their other wholecuts, made on the 5 last, are far better looking in person. I'm a bit anxious to see this one in person, which I'll do this upcoming Saturday. Thanks, Ken.

EDIT: I just looked at AE's web site and noticed that it isn't available in brown.
post #11 of 29
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Originally Posted by trogdor

Can anyone comment on how the #8 last compares to the #2 last?

I believe that both are designed for men with very high insteps. According to John at the Cabazon outlet, this is very common with younger men. About all I can say is that both seem about equally as ill-fitting on my feet, with a lot of heel slippage for both.
post #12 of 29
for those that have Westgates, can you comment on how well the shoe has aged for you? '

eg; in the 'Are Wholecuts Ugly' mega-thread, many people commented on how larger sizes make the wholecut shoes look worse, and also, how the vamp gets creased more on wholecuts than on other types of shoes

any experience with the Westgate vamp creasing with age and with the overall look of the shoe on larger feet??? (mine are 11 1/2)

trying to decide if these are worth buying now that they are being discounted

I read that Westgates are on the same last as Clifton's captoes, and I own Clifton's as my rain shoes, and they don't look too big on my feet at all

anyway, was hoping to buy a pair to practice antiquing on but only if I'm not wasting money on them

any thoughts or pictures would be appreciated
post #13 of 29
I have the Westgates in Black and Brandy colors, and I wear a size 11. They do not look very large on my feet. In fact, they look understated and elegant, in my opinion. I have not noticed any excessive creasing on either pair. I keep them maintained and always use shoe trees after wearing. I think this minimizes creasing more than anything.

I have several AE's on the #8 last, which the Westgate is on, and the Westgates are the most comfortable of the bunch.

I, too, plan to antigue my brandy pair. So far I have only used the AE chili and chestnut colors on it, but I have not found the combination that I am looking for. If you decide to go the antiguing route, I would be interested in hearing about your techinque and results.

All-in-all, I think the Westgate is a great shoe, especially at the discount price point.
post #14 of 29
For anyone looking for theWestgate, Shoes.com has it now on sale for $269 and you can get another 20% off with the EXTRASALE code, bringing the price down to $215.99...
post #15 of 29
The shoe looks sleeker than the C&J 337. Can anyone who has seen this shoe in person confirm this?
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