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post #31 of 160
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True but not when it comes to doping. It is ridiculously hard to dope now. If more than 5% of all Olympic athletes were doping I would sell everything I own. First in addition to being cost prohibitive there are far too many ways to monitor athletes' wherabouts for them to even get drugs. Second, the tests are far more sophisticated than people want to give them credit for. Not only are the current tests very good, sample preservation is even better so let's say a test for a new drug--a la CERA-- comes out. You can go back and re-test athletes' samples if they would benefit from use of that drug. Oh and let's not even begin to discuss how many tests they carry out daily. The odds of being an athlete and going a year without testing is almost zero. But hey, think what you want.
For one thing, the IOC usually pretends not to know. It's better for business. Secondly, athletes and coaches cycle the steroids so they come up clean for tests in meets they plan to run. You think steroids are 'cost-prohibitive'? Their shoes cost more than their drugs. The IOC does not test all medal-winners, they test at a predetermined time before the actual event and usually by officials in their home territory (AND THEY'D NEVER BE CORRUPT!). Just recently one of Michael Johnson's relay teammates admitted to juicing despite being a medal-winner and the IOC testing him (http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/tracka...ory?id=3423121)
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Pettigrew's testimony means that three of the four runners in the finals on the U.S. relay team have been tainted by drugs
And by 'steroids' I'm not talking about CERA and other red blood cell boosters -- 100m and 200m are largely anaerobic and red blood cell boosters don't help much like they do in endurance races or longer track runs. I'm talking about anabolic steroids -- stuff like stanazol which helps keep their muscle mass. If you really think Michael Johnson kept his legs in shape by doing lunges you're a fool. He kept getting injured at 175lbs. when he's young, then all of a sudden he gets up to 185lbs. and no more injuries. Hrm. Really.
post #32 of 160
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I'd also like to point out, just for shits and giggles, the biggest drug bust at an Olympics occurred in 2006. 10 athletes and coaches and officials were involved. I forget the exact number but several were found to be not guilty.

There were 2,058 athletes at the Turin Games. So .04% of all athletes (and not all busted were athletes). Beijing had an even smaller percentage of athletes caught, and most were horses.

Now you could say the IOC doesn't care about doping in its games but that is utter bullshit. The IOC created WADA and originally funded 50% of WADA's budget which was in the range of $12 million a year until 2007 or 8 I believe. I forget the exact numbers now but the IOC spends many millions on WADA a year, without even touching their own anti-doping efforts and the work they do with organizing committees to implement robust strategies for the Olympics.
post #33 of 160
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You don't know anything about drugs usage and how these guys avoid tests. For one thing, the IOC usually pretends not to know. It's better for business. Secondly, they cycle the steroids so they come up clean for meets they plan to run.

You think steroids are 'cost-prohibitive'? Their shoes cost more than their drugs.

And by 'steroids' I'm not talking about CERA and other red blood cell boosters -- 100m and 200m are largely anaerobic and red blood cell boosters don't help much like they do in endurance races or longer track runs. I'm talking about anabolic steroids -- stuff like stanazol which helps keep their muscle mass. If you really think Michael Johnson kept his legs in shape by doing lunges you're a fool. He keeps getting injured at 175lbs. when he's young, then all of a sudden he gets up to 185lbs. and no more injuries. Hrm. Really.

Just stop talking there. You have no idea what my job is, and that is far more than I should say.
post #34 of 160
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Just stop talking there. You have no idea what my job is, and that is far more than I should say.
What does your job matter? You thought these guys were taking EPO. Do you actually have any substantive knowledge that I can respond to, or does your enigmatic career and ability to post facepalms precede any requirement of information?
post #35 of 160
I don't have a dog in this fight. I know dick all about doping and sports. However it's my opinion that they're all on drugs. However, it's a moot point to me because it then becomes a level playing field in a sense since they're all using. I also think testing is all for show. Let's say the IOC makes 100 million a year. They can put 10 million towards testing and make 90 million and avoid scandals and loss of interest that might cut their earnings in half. As an example - the Joint Commission goes around accrediting hospitals for quality and standards. Yet we know when they're coming and everyone is on their best behaviour. Everyone gets frantic for a week and obeys all the rules and writes extra good notes in the charts. They come. They inspect. They accredit and they leave. Then things go back to normal. If they came unannounced they would get a better representation of what they claim they're trying to do and the result would likely be that 95% of hospitals wouldn't get accreditation and people would lose some faith in the system. Having said that, Bolt kicks ass and his name makes it all the better.
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Having said that, Bolt kicks ass and his name makes it all the better.

+1

His father says his speed comes from eating yams.
post #37 of 160
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it's a moot point to me because it then becomes a level playing field in a sense since they're all using.
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Having said that, Bolt kicks ass and his name makes it all the better.

+1.

I can't believe how people already forgot how Bolt slowed down to celebrate in the last second, and thus only recorded a 9.69 time in Beijing.

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A Stanford professor estimated he could've gone about 9.55 if he'd run full out through the line in Beijing.
post #38 of 160
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What does your job matter? You thought these guys were taking EPO.

Do you actually have any substantive knowledge that I can respond to, or does your enigmatic career and ability to post facepalms precede any requirement of information?

I'd like to point out you are yet to actually refute anything I said. Interestingly enough I never mentioned EPO and I know EPO is used primarily for endurance sports.

BTW: I'm sure you know that the IOC changed their drug testing policy for the Beijing Games and in addition to testing a set percentage of athletes they also test the winner and silver medalist and I believe bronze medalist in sports where they could benefit from the use of performance enhancing drugs.

Amazingly for all the athletes who say there were X number doping the amount of positive findings from those allegations hovers around zero and most were people admitting to guilt.
post #39 of 160
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I'd like to point out you are yet to actually refute anything I said. Interestingly enough I never mentioned EPO and I know EPO is used primarily for endurance sports.
Oh yeah, you're right, you said CERA, the newfangled red blood cell booster.
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BTW: I'm sure you know that the IOC changed their drug testing policy for the Beijing Games and in addition to testing a set percentage of athletes they also test the winner and silver medalist and I believe bronze medalist in sports where they could benefit from the use of performance enhancing drugs. Amazingly for all the athletes who say there were X number doping the amount of positive findings from those allegations hovers around zero and most were people admitting to guilt.
They know when the test will be. This is not hard to understand.
post #40 of 160
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Oh yeah, you're right, you said CERA, the newfangled red blood cell booster.



They know when the test will be.


This is not hard to understand.

No they don't. There are RANDOM in and out of competition tests. They have a 120 day window before the games for one test at any time, once the Olympic Village opens they can be tested at any time NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE IN THE WORLD, out of an Olympiad there is an announcement 24 hours before the testers are coming that they are getting tested.

I just wish I could offer something of substance to this discussion.
post #41 of 160
I think he's just unwordly fast and I'm sure if Roger Bannister broke the 4-minute mile today, people would accuse him of doping as well.

Apparently the culture we live in means that no one can be outstanding without cheating - or at least that's the conventional wisdom.
post #42 of 160
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No they don't. There are RANDOM in and out of competition tests. They have a 120 day window before the games for one test at any time, once the Olympic Village opens they can be tested at any time NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE IN THE WORLD, out of an Olympiad there is an announcement 24 hours before the testers are coming that they are getting tested.

I just wish I could offer something of substance to this discussion.

They have a four year offseason.
post #43 of 160
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They have a four year offseason.

Yeah good thing the international federations just drop the ball during the "off seasons"--oh wait they don't.

Nor do the major tournaments.

Oh and if you want to enter those tournaments you have to be subject to WADA's whereabouts rules at all points during the off season.
post #44 of 160
epo is for endurance athletes and would provide little short boost burst from what i know.

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Originally Posted by why View Post
What does your job matter? You thought these guys were taking EPO.

Do you actually have any substantive knowledge that I can respond to, or does your enigmatic career and ability to post facepalms precede any requirement of information?
post #45 of 160
It's so unfortunate how cynical people have become, and understandably so.

I didn't know about what happened in Berlin until someone told me about it and I was absolutely shocked. I still remember when being under 9.85 was special. I cannot believe that Ben Johnson's (ill gotten) record has literally been reversed. Keep in mind that the one at Beijing was hardly a real representation of his capabilities, and he did run harder in this race than before.

His body certainly is different from the typical Maurice Green, Donovan Bailey, Ato Boldon etc... build, but he's capable with those long legs to make strides fast enough to totally demolish the rest of the field.

I simply do not believe that if it is possible to dope that they wouldn't know how to test for it well enough that as many people as why says that are getting away with it, are in fact getting away with it. We've heard so many reports by so many different athletes that they are under continuous testing at all hours and in all situations. If there are so many athletes who are getting away with it, that requires a fairly wide international community of people who know how to do it, and it's shocking that no one would be able to expose this.

I just think that some of these guys sacrifice everything for their sport, love it more than anything in life, and train themselves to the edge of human capability, and for that I think that more than just a few of them are bound by their own self respect and love of true competition that winning by doping would just not work for them. For anyone who loves their craft, cheating is quite a load to bare. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I highly doubt it is nearly as widespread as it is being suggested here.
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