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post #5206 of 5977
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Originally Posted by trlhtn View Post

I don't think its US bridle leather quality. I have leather goods that were recently made with Wickett and Craig Bridle and the items exhibit none of cheapness of current Filson "bridle" leather. 

Well, I hope so. I have a Bexar porter satchel made with US bridle leather (don't think it's W&C) and the leather quality was definitely not on par with the UK tanneries. That said, the leather was still of a higher grade than what Filson is currently using I guess...

There were some issues I'm trying to get Bexar Goods to address regarding their product's leather quality but to no avail so I still have to applaud Filson for their good after customer care support at the very least nod[1].gif

http://www.styleforum.net/content/type/61/id/1922445/
This picture that shows the extensive "pilling" of leather fibers by ap10046 below is a very common problem of recent Filson products,
I've encountered it on at least 5 of my previous filson bags of different models (guess which one I sold shog[1].gif) either on the shoulder straps, loops on the shoulder mounts or handles...

It happens almost after a couple weeks usage for sure on the straps that feels limp & "unsubstantial" and the only "workaround" is by applying a copious amount of Obenauf HLP on the strap before usage. That said, you can only delay but not prevent this issue for the "goner" straps...
post #5207 of 5977
This piling on the reverse of some of the leather is not new. I have a 4+ year old 232 medium field bag that shows this piling on the back of the handle, which in my case has seen a lot of stress and flexing as I use it almost as much as the shoulder strap.




Image of label has had brighness & contrast adjusted to make it easier to read, but is far closer to actual colour than the handle shot
Edited by milw50717 - 11/7/15 at 11:16am
post #5208 of 5977
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Originally Posted by milw50717 View Post

This piling on the reverse of some of the leather is not new. I have a 4+ year old 232 medium field bag that shows this piling on the back of the handle, which in my case has seen a lot of stress and flexing as I use it almost as much as the shoulder strap.




Image of label has had brighness & contrast adjusted to make it easier to read, but is far closer to actual colour than the handle shot


milw50717, you're right that "pilling" happens on most used leather straps and is not new. What I was referring to is excessive pilling. I'll probably take comparison pictures of what I term by normal and excessive tomorrow.

That leather handle doesn't feel like it's going to torn in two anytime soon even with the "pilling" right?
post #5209 of 5977
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Originally Posted by letsi View Post


That leather handle doesn't feel like it's going to torn in two anytime soon even with the "pilling" right?

No, it is still plenty strong. This bag does time as a camera bag and I often hang it on fences and trees using a carabiner that is passed through the handle, such that all the weight is held by a relatively small area of the handle.

All leather has been treated with Obenaufs HDLP and oil throughout the years.
Edited by milw50717 - 11/7/15 at 12:31pm
post #5210 of 5977
By way of comparison.

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Images of my handle at a closer distance

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And a couple of the strap, with some pilling near the end shorter section

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Long section of the strap

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Edited by milw50717 - 11/7/15 at 1:04pm
post #5211 of 5977

Who knew particle leather was even a thing? What is this stuff?

post #5212 of 5977

did some Googling...

 

Quote:

 Bonded Leather
Much like particle board, bonded leather is the lowest quality leather available.  It's often made from a blend of real leather and some sort of polymer to bond it all together.  The ethics of labeling things made from bonded leather are pretty murky, as the word leather usually goes over better than the euphemistic pleather, but it's often the same thing. 

 

http://aurorashoeco.blogspot.com/2013/02/learning-about-leather.html

 

"Might as well have the best" - riiiight.

post #5213 of 5977
In my case it's just the fibres of the back side of leather being roughed up or coming adrift from the finish and appears in areas of high stress and wear, particularly sideways flexing.
post #5214 of 5977

Follow up on my 2 zippered Tote Bags:

I found a professional saddle maker, who attached brass D-rings (from Austria) on both sides of the bag. She managed to cut the leather like the other bridle parts of that bag.

I separately got the Filson shoulder strap and the bag now looks as it has been made by Filson this way.

 

 

 

 

post #5215 of 5977
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Originally Posted by milw50717 View Post

In my case it's just the fibres of the back side of leather being roughed up or coming adrift from the finish and appears in areas of high stress and wear, particularly sideways flexing.

 

Whats shown in your pictures is exactly what I experienced. As someone who has had numerous W&C bridle leather products, whats presented above is not bridle leather. Its some weird filler type material that may have shavings of bridle leather, but is not true Wickett & Craig bridle as Filson claims. If it is, it must be the lowest line of bridle leather offered that I have never seen.

 

The body of my older 70252 has true bridle leather or at least higher quality bridle then whats been shown. I have scratched the backside and the front and it wears and scratches like true bridle leather. Does not resemble the photos above in the least bit. Not sure what Filson is using now for their 70252 or their other bridle leather items. Not really surprised that Filson is abusing its past tradition of quality and honesty by selling garbage like this. 

post #5216 of 5977
That's what I suspect
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Originally Posted by milw50717 View Post

No, it is still plenty strong. This bag does time as a camera bag and I often hang it on fences and trees using a carabiner that is passed through the handle, such that all the weight is held by a relatively small area of the handle.

All leather has been treated with Obenaufs HDLP and oil throughout the years.

That's what I suspect as the pilling looks like it's only on the surface. Possible to take a picture of the skin side to see how the stress grains are like?



Here're some pictures for my 70256, all leather parts shown below are from the same bag so they share the same wear and tear from usage to a certain extent:

This is the shorter piece of the shoulder strap that has multiple holes for length adjustment, this piece of leather felt thin and crumpy like cardboard the first day I got it. No conditioner or HDLP applied as I wanted to know how such leather age. This is how it looks less than half a year later:



See how the "pilling" affects the sides as well like the leather layers are delaminating.




Notice the very uneven stress wrinkles on the skin side?

Next, pictures will depict usual wear without HDLP/conditioner applied, here's a look at my left handle strap, its texture felt normal when compared to the earlier strap. Note that I've not applied any conditioner or HDLP on it prior to usage.


Some "pilling" but that's expected of Filson's bridle leather as mentioned by myself and others.


Very even stress wrinkles as what you expect like wear wrinkles on shoes with decent leather

Lastly, the right handle strap, its texture normal like the left one. I've applied HDLP on it prior to usage.



No visible "pilling" (interesting isn't it?)

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Very light almost non visible stress wrinkles.



Interesting how Filson's leather wear differently depending on how you treat it yeah? That said, crap leather is crap like my first 3 photos have shown and applying HDLP before or after usage does not help in any event. Sold the ones with such leather straps so I don't have pictures to show how it ages even with lots of application of HDLP before or after usage.
post #5217 of 5977
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Originally Posted by letsi View Post


That's what I suspect as the pilling looks like it's only on the surface. Possible to take a picture of the skin side to see how the stress grains are like?

Images of the handle.





post #5218 of 5977
Here are some pics of my old large carry-on 242. At least 15 years old It has seen moderate use including as checked luggage. When I started buying Filson luggage again 2014 (When I decided I preferred Filson even for most business travel).

It has 2 roller buckles on the front which put a lot of wear on the leather:

Topside:



And underside:



Here is the higher part of the strap which sees a lot less wear:

Topside:



Underside:



Here is the handle area where the bridle leather is very thick:



And the back strip where the strap attachment points are:



Originally, when I got back into Filson last year, I thought about selling this bag which can hang oddly on the strap but more recently given the trend for Filson to discontinue their best pieces, imho, I am definitely keeping it! It is a great carry-on bag for a 5 day trip. None of the leather has that broad wrinkle pattern I see in newer bags after a few uses.

post #5219 of 5977

What's shown above is how real leather should age. The excessive piling and loose fibers is not what real bridle leather does. You shouldn't be able to pull bunches of leather fibers like a cotton ball like you can on the straps pictured throughout this page. 

post #5220 of 5977
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Originally Posted by milw50717 View Post

Images of the handle.






To be honest, the stress wrinkles/wear pattern doesn't look that well to me but if it's not feeling paperish/crumpy to you then it'll probably last with regular HDLP maintenance.

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Originally Posted by Soletrane View Post

Here are some pics of my old large carry-on 242. At least 15 years old It has seen moderate use including as checked luggage. When I started buying Filson luggage again 2014 (When I decided I preferred Filson even for most business travel).

It has 2 roller buckles on the front which put a lot of wear on the leather:

Topside:



And underside:



Here is the higher part of the strap which sees a lot less wear:

Topside:



Underside:



Here is the handle area where the bridle leather is very thick:



And the back strip where the strap attachment points are:



Originally, when I got back into Filson last year, I thought about selling this bag which can hang oddly on the strap but more recently given the trend for Filson to discontinue their best pieces, imho, I am definitely keeping it! It is a great carry-on bag for a 5 day trip. None of the leather has that broad wrinkle pattern I see in newer bags after a few uses.


This, Sir, is a keeper. I think most of us (that are venting here shog[1].gif) venture into Filson hoping to get the above leather quality but things fell short I guess musicboohoo[1].gif
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