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post #5191 of 5981
Does anyone know what the MSRP on this is?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/381452663040
post #5192 of 5981
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Originally Posted by Churchill W View Post

Does anyone know what the MSRP on this is?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/381452663040

 

 

Weren't those somewhere around $500? I recall seeing one last time I was in a Filson store, but don't remember the exact price.

post #5193 of 5981
I'm having trouble finding this model. I only see the other two rugged twill versions.
post #5194 of 5981
Sightsofsounds, I have an older discontinued style Filson bag. I am not convinced it is fundamentally different in construction quality than the new bags that still are based on old model designs like the Pullman. Opinions differ on this, of course.

I think newer designs generally use less leather than the model they replace and arguably go with simpler designs (cheaper, faster to sew). This is where I personally most see the cost cutting by Filson.
post #5195 of 5981
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Originally Posted by Soletrane View Post

Sightsofsounds, I have an older discontinued style Filson bag. I am not convinced it is fundamentally different in construction quality than the new bags that still are based on old model designs like the Pullman. Opinions differ on this, of course.

I think newer designs generally use less leather than the model they replace and arguably go with simpler designs (cheaper, faster to sew). This is where I personally most see the cost cutting by Filson.

 

It's not just less leather, but lower quality leather as well. I'm surprised so few people here notice/are bothered by this, given the prices paid for these bags. The leather use for shoulder-strap mounting points on my 72-hour brief, for example, is really a joke - I would almost expect to see "genuine leather" and "made in China" somewhere on them. Even the handles, while thick and supple, also feel rubbery/plasticky and hardly like real leather. 

 

By comparison, I have a vintage (pre-padded) shoulder strap on the same bag, found on eBay, and the quality is outstanding - it's the high quality kind of leather I expect to see on bags costing $300+, and I suspect older bags had throughout (handles, mounting points, accents, etc.).

 

No excuse for cutting corners unless you're cutting prices too, which the opposite is the case for Filson - they're milking that name for all its worth. On principle alone this irritates me, and I'll definitely be looking elsewhere from now on.

post #5196 of 5981
Hi Sightofsounds,
Interesting. I have read similar experiences from other forum participants who are knowledgeable about leather including comments that the leather is now "corrected" etc. which presumably implies more processing as in top grain leather. I defer to their greater level of discernment.

I can only compare my recent Filson pieces with my old large carry-on 240 and nothing jumps out at me once you control for the patina from usage in the older piece. With the newer pieces after some use, they also start looking better too. If there is a difference in leather quality it is much more subtle (to my eye) then say when I go to J Crew and examine the leather on their house brand leather and canvas bags. I recently bought a Yuketen Mail bag - and clearly the leather is on another league - but it is not bridle type leather too and much more supple and soft by design though also full grain.

The one area where the leather looks decidedly cheaper - even to my eye - is on the new padded shoulder pads.
post #5197 of 5981

I'm gonna throw my opinion (again) into the Filson leather quality debate. I would consider myself more aware to the different types and quality of leather compared to the average consumer. That being said, it is evident that Filson (or their supplier) has changed the type and quality of leather they use. I agree with the comments that point out the flimsy feeling of the straps. They no longer feel thick and substantial, instead feeling thinner and more malleable. They don't even feel like real leather anymore, with almost a hollow, filler type feel. Review the Filson website for reviews on their belts and people have definitely noticed the cheapening of the leather.

 

I also have an older 70252 which is constructed with thick, strong leather that keeps its shape wonderfully. It definitely has a substantial, heavier feel to it compared to another 70252 which I recently ordered from Filson. That one felt like a cheap imitation compared to my older 70252. I showed it to my friend who was in the high end luggage business and his first comment was are these even the same brand. The recent one I got was made of a thinner type leather that hardly kept its shape and was considerably lighter than my trusted 70252. I regret not taking a picture of one of the leather straps that goes across the briefcase. Seemed like during production the back piece of the strap got caught on something which kind of tore into the "leather." The reason I'm calling it "leather" is because you could clearly see numerous pieces of "leather fibers" making up the composition of the strap. It clearly was not one solid piece of leather. 

 

When I questioned Filson about this, they said sometimes the leather is thinner or thicker depending on whether it was a winter or summer cow. With that explanation and that level of variance, I doubt any manufacturer could keep consistent quality. I'm not sure if that is true in causing such a wide variety of leather quality, but if anyone has experience in the tanning industry please comment. Regardless, Filson's customer service was great and let me return it. 

 

I understand a heavier leather does not automatically equate to a better leather when compared to a thinner piece, but clearly the leather that is being used by Filson has changed and people are definitely noticing it. 

post #5198 of 5981
+100.

I face exactly this problem with my navy 240.
The strap on one side is thick and firm..the other one is really thin, "furry" and full of creases. It also curls up on itself. Looks awful and that's why I don't carry it any more. The mounting loop for the strap on one side is so thin, it has stretched, whereas the other is normal.

I wrote to Filson and asked them as to what I should do..I got a "don't worry, this is normal and if you are unsatisfied, send it back", which is not possible for me.

I'll try and find the pictures.
post #5199 of 5981
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Originally Posted by trlhtn View Post

I'm gonna throw my opinion (again) into the Filson leather quality debate. I would consider myself more aware to the different types and quality of leather compared to the average consumer. That being said, it is evident that Filson (or their supplier) has changed the type and quality of leather they use. I agree with the comments that point out the flimsy feeling of the straps. They no longer feel thick and substantial, instead feeling thinner and more malleable. They don't even feel like real leather anymore, with almost a hollow, filler type feel. Review the Filson website for reviews on their belts and people have definitely noticed the cheapening of the leather.

I also have an older 70252 which is constructed with thick, strong leather that keeps its shape wonderfully. It definitely has a substantial, heavier feel to it compared to another 70252 which I recently ordered from Filson. That one felt like a cheap imitation compared to my older 70252. I showed it to my friend who was in the high end luggage business and his first comment was are these even the same brand. The recent one I got was made of a thinner type leather that hardly kept its shape and was considerably lighter than my trusted 70252. I regret not taking a picture of one of the leather straps that goes across the briefcase. Seemed like during production the back piece of the strap got caught on something which kind of tore into the "leather." The reason I'm calling it "leather" is because you could clearly see numerous pieces of "leather fibers" making up the composition of the strap. It clearly was not one solid piece of leather. 

When I questioned Filson about this, they said sometimes the leather is thinner or thicker depending on whether it was a winter or summer cow. With that explanation and that level of variance, I doubt any manufacturer could keep consistent quality. I'm not sure if that is true in causing such a wide variety of leather quality, but if anyone has experience in the tanning industry please comment. Regardless, Filson's customer service was great and let me return it. 

I understand a heavier leather does not automatically equate to a better leather when compared to a thinner piece, but clearly the leather that is being used by Filson has changed and people are definitely noticing it. 

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Originally Posted by ap10046 View Post

+100.

I face exactly this problem with my navy 240.
The strap on one side is thick and firm..the other one is really thin, "furry" and full of creases. It also curls up on itself. Looks awful and that's why I don't carry it any more. The mounting loop for the strap on one side is so thin, it has stretched, whereas the other is normal.

I wrote to Filson and asked them as to what I should do..I got a "don't worry, this is normal and if you are unsatisfied, send it back", which is not possible for me.

I'll try and find the pictures.

+101

It's either that or the US bridle leather quality is going down the drain... The leather feel is totally different from bridle leather of UK tanneries like sedgwick or barker.
post #5200 of 5981
Totally!
I think Filson needs to outsource their Straps and Handles to Charlie! LOL. Hey, there's a thought...Filsox X Equus....!

The Pictures :





post #5201 of 5981
Hrm, so we can't even count on the 70 style number generation to be an indicator of the better leather? We need to source from pre-70 style number?
post #5202 of 5981
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Originally Posted by ap10046 View Post

Totally!
I think Filson needs to outsource their Straps and Handles to Charlie! LOL. Hey, there's a thought...Filsox X Equus....!

The Pictures :



 

I deleted your pictures so I wan't posting the same pics over and over. I actually have the same issue on my 70252 that I've used and trusted. One of the straps is thick and strong, while the other one is limp and exhibits the same characteristics as yours. The body of the briefcase is perfect and thick, so for that reason I did not exchange it with Filson knowing that whatever Filson would replace it with would probably be worse. That actually happened when I ordered my new 70252 I just thought that this must've been a second or a mistake. I requested a replacement from Filson, which they promptly sent out, but unfortunately the replacement was the same limp, thin briefcase that I had gotten before. What sucks now is that I am stuck with a $890 gift card for a company I no longer have faith in. Probably will end up selling the gift card for cash, lose some money, and buy something from a company that actually is consistent with their quality. Probably will move towards Frank Clegg. Like I've said in this thread, I was hoping that Filson's most expensive luggage item would've been spared their cost cutting, but I guess Bedrock and Shinola have different plans for Filson. 

 

 

Side rant: embarrassing that Filson is pushing those quartz Shinola watches for those prices. 

post #5203 of 5981
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Originally Posted by Churchill W View Post

Hrm, so we can't even count on the 70 style number generation to be an indicator of the better leather? We need to source from pre-70 style number?

My luck has been hit or miss. I have a 70252 thats almost perfect notwithstanding one of the crummy straps. I ordered another 70252 and that one was total junk. I've seen 252s and those are beautiful, thick and strong. Hold their shape wonderfully. 

post #5204 of 5981
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Originally Posted by letsi View Post



+101

It's either that or the US bridle leather quality is going down the drain... The leather feel is totally different from bridle leather of UK tanneries like sedgwick or barker.

 

I don't think its US bridle leather quality. I have leather goods that were recently made with Wickett and Craig Bridle and the items exhibit none of cheapness of current Filson "bridle" leather. 

post #5205 of 5981
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Originally Posted by Churchill W View Post

Hrm, so we can't even count on the 70 style number generation to be an indicator of the better leather? We need to source from pre-70 style number?

Can't even count on the pre-70 apparently as ap10046 shows a 240 bag.
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