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I love Penn Jillette in an entirely appropriate manner.
post #2 of 15
moreso that jackie mason fellow, actually

edit - great episode, i like the revolutionary bent
post #3 of 15
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Why was the title of my thread changed? It's the name of the show.
post #4 of 15
we need guns to protect ourselves from the forum administrata
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Yeeeah, why was the name edited?
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Hasn't it long been forum policy to avoid cussing in thread titles? ~ Huntsman
post #7 of 15
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Originally Posted by Arethusa

I've seen clips of his show. I liked his appearance in that film that attempted to provide a corrective to Moore's 9-11. He and the documentarian who did "Gimme Shelter" were particularly good.

As for gun control, as crazy as this might sound: I sort of still cling to the idea that guns in the hands of the "people" provide a useful insurance policy against tyranny. I know this idea may've become more dubious to some after the terrorism in Oklahoma, but I still hold to it.
post #8 of 15
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Originally Posted by Horace
As for gun control, as crazy as this might sound: I sort of still cling to the idea that guns in the hands of the "people" provide a useful insurance policy against tyranny. I know this idea may've become more dubious to some after the terrorism in Oklahoma, but I still hold to it.
Of course, the reality is much more complex. The NRA/gun nut crowd is unfortunately well known to be something of a joke in this regard: so long as you let them hug their guns and vote Republican, they'll embrace all the tyranny, injustice, and oppression you can feed them (just tell them it's for fightin' commies or terrarists). I don't think the Oklahoma bombers factor into that at all.
post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by Huntsman
Hasn't it long been forum policy to avoid cussing in thread titles? ~ Huntsman
Yes, always. No swearing in topic titles. Or I will get revolutionary on your ass.
post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by Arethusa
Of course, the reality is much more complex. The NRA/gun nut crowd is unfortunately well known to be something of a joke in this regard: so long as you let them hug their guns and vote Republican, they'll embrace all the tyranny, injustice, and oppression you can feed them (just tell them it's for fightin' commies or terrarists). I don't think the Oklahoma bombers factor into that at all.

If by "that" (in your last sentence) you mean what the NRA/Gun nut (are those two groups the same -- this hasn't been my experience) will embrace, then no. (I didn't mean to suggest that it was so). But I think Oklahoma propelled the agenda (in the neutral sense of the word) of those who would wish to ban the private possession of firearms.
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I like Penn's use of dark double breasted 3 piece suits.
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Originally Posted by Horace
If by "that" (in your last sentence) you mean what the NRA/Gun nut (are those two groups the same -- this hasn't been my experience) will embrace, then no. (I didn't mean to suggest that it was so). But I think Oklahoma propelled the agenda (in the neutral sense of the word) of those who would wish to ban the private possession of firearms.
Ah. I misunderstood your point. That, I do agree with. For what it's worth, I haven't seen much differentiation in the NRA/gun nut crowd, but my experience is limited pretty much to online forums like The High Road (which are predominatly fucking insane).
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Originally Posted by globetrotter
I like Penn's use of dark double breasted 3 piece suits.
How about Teller's spectators? I think they're Allen-Edmonds. On Fear Factor he wore a sneaker version of them.
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Originally Posted by ATM
How about Teller's spectators? I think they're Allen-Edmonds. On Fear Factor he wore a sneaker version of them.

I hadn't noticed until you mentioned it. I don't think I would ever wear spectators, myself. with teller being so slight next to penn, I am not sure that he wants to be drawing attention to his feet. but it is a good touch of the theatrical.
post #15 of 15
I watched the movie, some thoughts

1. the whole concept of safety of firearms is made into a black and white issue here, making proponents of gun control seem crazy. how about this - you get to have a firearm, all you have to do is take a serious training course, and show up at a firing range once a year to qualify that you still know how to use it. you get to have one, so pick it carefully, and you have to show that you still have it, every year at the range. if it is stolen or lost, due to negligence, you are responsible for the crimes and damage done with it. that way, everybody gets a gun, and you would cut down on a majority of the illigal guns and accidents out there. the problem with gun saftey is not black and white - if people had few guns, or were better trained, or were more responsible, there would be no accidents (or almost no) and guns wouldn't find their way into the hands of criminals. it is the guys who leave their guns lying around the house, or have 25 pistols, that create that situations that help lead to accidents and put guns in the hands of criminals. why don't we look at a middle way - limitation of guns, without taking them all off the streets?

2. My main objective still is that I think, from a practical point of view, people aren't very good at protecting themselves with firearms. there are many ways to protect yourself without a firearm. the lady in the fur shop probrably needs a gun to protect herself - honestly, I can think of some very good critisisms as to how she has chosen to arm herself. with all that firepower, I still wouldn't give her good odds.

3. I think that Penn is mistaken in his interpretation of the 2nd ammendment - but I am not a constitutional scholar. I believe that the word militia was in contrast to the idea of a standing army. the idea was not that the people should be armed to protect against the militia, but that the people should form the militia - that the free people and the militia were one and the same. and I believe that this is a very good argument for people to be involved in militias, as it is part of the freedoms given us by the framers.

4. one of the best reasons for having firearms is to protect civil rights, to protect against the government going crazy. I do not believe that a bunch of independent citizens armed with decorative .45's have a chance in hell of doing anything against a modern army. I believe that if you really believe in the second ammendment, and you believe that it is important to provide a check to a potential situation where the government could sieze some of your civil rights, that you should serve a term in the military, understand how real weapons work, and you should serve with your state or local guard, and you should plan with some like minded friends to be prepared for the posible situation - possibly train and keep some serious weapons and communications equipment in a safe place for the unlikely situation where you may need it. this would be good citizenship. claiming that your handgun keeps the government in check doens't make that much sense to me.
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