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Urgent - Does this sound like a good idea (Tux question)?

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Went to LS Mens in Manhattan yesterday to look at some Tuxedos Izzy had in stock. He had a few that would work, but one that stood out. Shawl Collar, 1 button, pleated trousers. I think he said it was made by Hickey Freeman (but I cannot honestly remember).

1) He would have to re-cut the trousers from a 41 to about a 36 (because the coat is a 46 and I have a dis-proportionate physique). Because they cannot be opened at the side for some reason, he would have to take the room in by, among other things, adding an additional pleat, making a 2 pleat into a 3. Does this sound crazy? Or is it something that will only be noticed by someone on this board?

2) The material of the coat and trousers is textured, not the typical flat smooth tuxedo material. It seems to have almost a basket weave to it, it is reminiscent of a black on black bird's eye (but not exactly). Has anyone heard of or seen anything like this?

Thinking of buying it because 1) anything I get would have to be re-cut, and I trust him, 2) the price is not outrageous (about 6-700 all told), 3) the material is different without being too non-traditional, 4) he can give it to me in time for one event (end of the month), 5) when my wife saw it she went from "why do you need to buy this, you can buy one for $200 as JAB" to "wow, I really like that".

Should I do it? (I am in my early 30s, attorney, 2-3 tux occasions per year...)

Thanks in advance for your help. You guys have never steered me wrong before.
post #2 of 14
I understand time is of the essence here but you might want to consider MTM, to create the proper fit. I had a tux made with Martin Greenfield, he might be able to squeeze you in, as I think he is running about 5 weeks for MTM. The tux i had made was not much more than you are stating, but that was 3 years ago.
post #3 of 14
Cutting pants from a 41 to a 36 is a pretty serious operation, from what I've heard. So you're definitely paying for some tailoring there. BTW, with a jacket size of 46, I would have expected the pants to be a 40 or even a 38, which would mean less drastic surgery on the pants, and less money on tailoring. You might want to look around for tuxes with more of a drop, to save you some money on tailoring. As to the pleats, triple-pleated tuxedo pants sounds odd to me, but then again, I prefer flat front tux pants. At any rate, I think the jacket really makes or breaks a tux, and the shawl collar is sure to get you some compliments. It's a tough call, but I would think in that price range you could find something you like better. How much do you like the fabric?
post #4 of 14
Thread Starter 
I have been told, at Brooks, and by Izzy at LS Mens, that there is not enough time to guarantee that MTM will be finished, and given the fact that my last MTM suit took three weeks longer than I had been quoted, I am unwilling to risk it. Although I would prefer it. Doesn't Martin Greenfield work out of Brooks Brothers? Or does he have his own shop?

I really like the fabric, I also like the idea that it is subtly different than standard, enough that people will know I didn't get it from Proms-r-us but not enough that I will look back and wonder what the hell I was thinking at the time. That said, I do tend to be more of a traditionalist. Are fabric variations in tuxedos common? I think I remember going to several 'rich people' events and seeing fabrics with subtle patterns and textures to them, or am I crazy?

As for better alternatives, where should I look? I was thinking of going up to Barneys, but I would imagine the prices would be higher than $700. Any other ideas?
post #5 of 14
Thread Starter 
by the way, it is fairly amusing to see names of people I know to have posted numerous times on the board listed as junior members.
post #6 of 14
1) Bad idea. Recutting trousers is always a dicey proposition and given the overall price, you may as well be getting full MTM from LS. I know you won't have time to get it for your first event this year, but think long-term (and don't wait until the last minute). If you're doing 2 to 3 events per year, you should hold out for something really good, not something you can get right now.

2) If this is your only tux, you don't want an unusual fabric. You will almost certainly regret it in the future. See Matt's thread:

http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=12812
post #7 of 14
Martin Greenfield has his own place in Brooklyn, where he does his work for BB, and Neiman Marcus, but will also handle some other individual clients. I noticed that Saks has a rather large tuxedo section, maybe there is some value there.
post #8 of 14
that sounds like a bad idea all round. You should be able to do a lot better online and just have it tweaked to fit. 3 pleat pants that have come in five full inches are never gonna work
post #9 of 14
Two questions: First, what do you mean when you say "anything I get would have to be recut"? And second, does the $700 total include all the alterations? Seems like the savings could disappear quickly when you factor that in.
post #10 of 14
I'd recommend passing as well.

First, your wife will react in the same exact way to a beautiful one button peak lapel with traditional smooth fabric.

Second, the triple pleats will look odd. Though they may be covered up by the coat (provided you don't remove the coat), it still might create an odd line down the crease.

Third, Hickey Freeman likely cut these pants full anyways. So, triple pleating the pants may cause the waist to fit fine, but the thighs and seat will still be way too roomy (unless the legs are recut as well). [BTW, the pants can't be taken in from the sides due to the stripe on tux trousers]

Fourth, you are looking at close to $900 when factoring in tax and alterations. That's a lot.
post #11 of 14
buy this double breasted Corneliani instead. Use the savings for tailor tweakage...oh and use the link above for affiliate referal to SF....
post #12 of 14
Thread Starter 
The price was about $700 including alterations. But I think I am going to pass. I think I will go MTM and see if they can get it in time, or he also said he has a 1 button peak with pants that might need less substantial work.

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what do you mean when you say "anything I get would have to be recut"
- I have had trouble because I need a size 46 jacket which needs to be taken substantially in the stomach, and any trousers have to be brought down to a 36 waist, but must also be roomy enough to accomodate my seat and thighs (I will spare you the details).

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Hickey Freeman likely cut these pants full anyways. So, triple pleating the pants may cause the waist to fit fine, but the thighs and seat will still be way too roomy
- See above re seat and thighs. But I take your point re taking them in from the sides. That was the cause of the 3 pleat discussion.

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buy this double breasted Corneliani instead. Use the savings for tailor tweakage...oh and use the link above for affiliate referal to SF....
- I doubt a size 54 would work. Also my last STP purchase had to be re-worked by Bhambi to the point that I have never worn it. It just came out looking sad. Anyone want to buy an H. Freeman gray 2 button with thin red windowpane Size 46 w/ 40 pants cut down to 36?

Thanks for the input everyone. Once again SF has become my go to resource. I only wish I have never found this place. I would have been perfectly happy with a $200 JAB, and never looked back.

In case anyone is in the market for a tux - between SAKS, Barneys, SYMS, Brooks, I was able to find 3 peak lapel tuxes, and no shawls. Notches thay have in as many buttons as you want! Depressing.
post #13 of 14
Since you are in NYC, go see Mr Ned and do the job right, cost should be within budget from what I have read on here. If you have an urgent need (faster than Nedsneedles can muster), then rent one for the night, the rental place should let you mix n match trousers, never perfect, but certainly better than a five inch waist reduction. Collect your Ned creation later and enjoy it for years. Dont mess around with heavy duty alterations, you will just end up with a closet full of not-quite-right suits that you feel not-quite-right when you wear.
post #14 of 14
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by m@T
Dont mess around with heavy duty alterations, you will just end up with a closet full of not-quite-right suits that you feel not-quite-right when you wear.

Much like all of my suits except the LS Men's MTM. I often wonder how many days I can just wear my MTM before people start to notice. Just not happy wearing anything else.

Thanks.
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