I would recommend you get the waist to fit as you want it off the rack. They do shrink a bit, but they will stretch back out to their pre-soak size (but not much more). They don't stretch a lot (nothing like APC's etc), but they will stretch. Especially if you're crazy enough to do what I did and get them that tight - they have stretched out on me just a little bit in every area, even in the thighs (so I no longer look like a sausage in a skin, but they still fit me very slim). I recommend a snug, perhaps slightly tight fit on the waist if you want a trim/neat fit long term. The 0201's are a bit more relaxed. Also, I'm 6'8" with gigantic cyclist thighs, so you needn't worry that they're going to be quite that tight on you (presuming you're not of similar build). Also, if you feel like rolling over and dying and/or burning them after 2 days or so, hang in there. They DO soften up and they're GREAT. Edit: Not sure how much I downsized. I'll measure my waist tomorrow and let you know how it compares to the jeans themselves.