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Big plastic buttons :(

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Big plastic buttons :(

 

And no talon claw stitching

post #138 of 194
M. Brosi - I LOLed
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Where did you buy them from?
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id be willing to bet that someone took off the buttons and replaced them. those buttons look like they were sewn on by helen keller.
post #141 of 194

one came from http://www.sartoriale.com/

 

the pink one from elitebargainnyc on ebay.

 

I have ordered many shirts from both these guys.  Also they were new shirts and from different places so I doubt that any one tried to switch the buttons.

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one came from http://www.sartoriale.com/

the pink one from elitebargainnyc on ebay.

I have ordered many shirts from both these guys.  Also they were new shirts and from different places so I doubt that any one tried to switch the buttons.

ive owned dozens of borrellis...new and old...ive never seen any with plastic buttons and shitty stitching like that. ever. id be willing to bet borrelli has never produced a RTW shirt with plastic buttons.
post #143 of 194

I have about a dozen borrelli shirts as well, these are the only 2 that I have which are done this way.  The other thing to note on these is the way the collar is attached.  but everything else about the shirt seems to be the same as the others I have.

post #144 of 194
See my post #107 - same thing. Shitty plastic buttons, no crow's feet stitching. In addition, the size tag on the neck is low quality (poor font) and the little "logo" triangle at the gusset is pretty weak too. Also, my shirt is extremely short, to the point of where it won't stay tucked in - never had a problem with this and the older Borrelli shirts. Finally, the shirt sleeves are very short. From my experience the older Borrelli shirt sleeves were pretty much all at 36-37" which meant that I needed to shorten them at the tailor. Not on this one.

I don't know what to think...if these are knock offs or if Borrelli has drastically lowered the quality of ther RTW shirts to this level. I don't know much about elitebargainsnyc, but sartoriale is a legit seller.

Is there a SF affiliate vendor or someone who is well-versed in Borrelli that would like to take a closer look? I'd happily forward mine on as a guinea pig.
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See my post #107 - same thing. Shitty plastic buttons, no crow's feet stitching. In addition, the size tag on the neck is low quality (poor font) and the little "logo" triangle at the gusset is pretty weak too. Also, my shirt is extremely short, to the point of where it won't stay tucked in - never had a problem with this and the older Borrelli shirts. Finally, the shirt sleeves are very short. From my experience the older Borrelli shirt sleeves were pretty much all at 36-37" which meant that I needed to shorten them at the tailor. Not on this one.
I don't know what to think...if these are knock offs or if Borrelli has drastically lowered the quality of ther RTW shirts to this level. I don't know much about elitebargainsnyc, but sartoriale is a legit seller.
Is there a SF affiliate vendor or someone who is well-versed in Borrelli that would like to take a closer look? I'd happily forward mine on as a guinea pig.

my gut would tell me its a knock off...ive had some new borrellis and have had none of these issues...hmm...strange stuff though.
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my gut would tell me its a knock off...ive had some new borrellis and have had none of these issues...hmm...strange stuff though.

same here. none of my borrellis have any of those issues. they are all impeccable.
post #147 of 194

I had a lot of Borrelli shirts with different combinations

- Hand made button holes, hand finished shoulders, don't know how to call it but the placket on which button holes are sewn is also hand stitched until the mid of the shirt

- Machine made button holes but hand finished shoulders

- Entirely machine made shirts, from A to Z.

so i am really not surprised.

 

table21 you should have gotten one of my Kiton shirts in place of these 2... you would be much more happy right now.

post #148 of 194
I've had three. Two had the thick buttons and one the thinner buttons. All bought from STF.

Plus points:
I love the collars - a soft collar, with a nice spread and long collar points
Lovely fabric
Nice details e.g. on the gusset and of course the buttons
They have an amazing colour selection

Minus:
Not the most fitted shirts. I am 16" neck with a 34" waist (fairly average for UK), but I find these slightly baggy on the waist
One of the elbows wore away on the "thin button" shirt. I know this is a bit random - but it hasn't happened on my Truzzi or Harvie shirts
They are obviously not cheap. Even on STF they were around 160 USD.

Overall - good shirts but prefer Truzzi and RL black label when spending big on shirts.
post #149 of 194

I find it a little too limiting that  when it comes to shirts almost  all the talk in SF is about  'handmade' details and button material/size

 

As a consequence the discussion is almost always framed in the 'Neapolitan context',  which is too biased in my opinion. I guess the reason for this is that these discussions are very often made in the context of the high end RTW shirt market in the US, which is what the (mostly US) contributors have been 'educated' to appreciate

 

While I appreciate  'hand stitching' etc, this should be balanced with other factors like the cloth composition. For example I love my Loro Piana shirts. These are "germanic' Italian (up up north) not the guys from Naples. So no hand sewing of buttons or decorative hand stitching of armholes. But the buttons are the thickest/shiniest MOPs around  and it is a pleasure to wear cotton-cashmere shirts in the winter and silk in spring/summer

 

Compared to that the Neapolitan cotton shirt is actually pedestrian no matter how many fleur de lis buttons or decorative but useless hand stitching in the shirt body

 

PS: I keep trying on Kiton shirts due to SF group think but never come to buy any because there is nothing so special about them. I hate the dark yellow buttons, and the cloth is not that much better than a Pal Zileri Sartoriale (probably same source) or Mattabisch (part of Kiton). Actually Neapolitan speaking I would go for Mattabisch almost all the time over barba, borreli, Buonamassa, etc

 

anyway, just a little rant

post #150 of 194
re - sizing.

it obviously depends on your build. each maker decides what their shirts measurement will be, and usually makes up to 3 variations. full, slim, and extra slim. for me, the borrelli slim fits pretty much perfectly, and the full and extra slim, fit well enough, but not perfect.

so, when pronouncing that a certain maker makes a shirt that is "baggy" or "tight," be sure to take into consideration first, did you try all their fits, and maybe your build just isnt suited for their shirts? that doesnt mean someone else with the same neck size will have the same result. within each neck size, there are all kinds of variations that a persons measurements could be.
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