Originally Posted by VersaceMan
Good points. I think the point with #1 that the video was trying to make was that none of the planes were hijacked by terrorists. It was implying that two of the 'crashes' weren't the result of planes (the one that was brought down in the countryside, and the Pentagon attack). They even said how two of the planes that 'crashed' (not the two that hit the towers) were still registered and functioning. It has nothing to do with outside terrorism from Arabs; rather, it was an attack launched by the government. Evidence for this lies in the fact that the government has not fully stated who was flying the planes - sure they have names, but what about the part that showed 9 or so of the 'hijackers' were still alive and well, and had nothing at all to do with this.
#2 - don't the benefits outweigh the costs? As sick as it is to say...look at all the things that have come out of 9-11. People are afraid of terrorism, and do what the government says. Decreased civil liberties laws, government has more control. War in Iraq - oil. Construction contracts, rebuilding industries. $168 billion in gold missing from the WTC (something like only $250 million was recovered, and found hidden inside a box truck). Insurance money from the WTC. Lots of incriminating electronic data and evidence destroyed.
#3 - a fully loaded 757 crashes into a building and makes a 16' hole? No wreckage on the ground at all, yet they are able to identify 184 bodies? No titanium alloy engines, yet wooden cable spools are untouched? No video released.
Again, not to criticize, but I just find this an interesting topic to debate. Of course, nobody knows for sure what happened besides the top officials.
1. if none of the planes were hijacked, does that mean that the familes of the 300 or so people on the planes are in on it?
2. sure, the benifits may or may not outweight the costs. how do you find the hundreds, if not thousands of people, all skilled enough in their areas, most of whom may have taken decades of dedication to acheive this skill level, who are willing to take part in the conspiracy and then able to shut up about it for 5 years? look at it this way - I know that a lot of civillians like to think that the military is full of evil people, but the people who dedicate their lives to the military are basically good people who believe in something. the vast majority of members of this conspiracy would have to be members of the military. so how do you get thousands of members of the military to agree to be involved in killing american civillians, and then shut up about it? or, not everyone who would be approached as to join to conspiracy would actually join. so how come noone has come forward and said that he was asked to join a consipiracy, declined to join and now he realizes what the idea was.
3. my understanding is that the 184 bodies were bodies in the building. concievably, we do not know, that includes bodies of people who were hundreds of feet away and were strick by debris. I agree that is is strange, but look at this example - take a clip of M-16 rounds. fire a half dozen into a good sized pig. fire a half dozen into a plastic barrel of water. fire a half dozen into a cinder block. compare them with the complete rounds. the solid cone of metal will be now a little shred of foil, in a wide variety of shapes. the rounds fired into the pig, depending on where they hit, will all look vastly different. same with the others. now think about a thin shell of aluminum, holding several dozen tons of highly explosive fuel, traveling at 500 miles per hour and hitting a solid reinforced wall.
another thing that strikes me about the movie - just asmall example - they talk about the engine being made of steel, aluminum and titanium. then they continue to talk about the engine as though it is made of solid titanium. it wasn't - we don't know how much titanium there actually was. and, yes, the burning temperature of jet fuel is lower than the melting point of titanium, but first of all melting points change with changes in pressure, if I remember correctly, and burning temperatures change with changes in pressure, and when oxegyn is added directly, if I remember correctly, and, most importantly, the kenetic energy of a hundred tons hitting a solid wall at 500 mph has to have created some flash of energy. I have no idea what the effect of this would be, but I think that it is fair to say that the results would be unexpected, or unusual, to say the least.