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post #31 of 40
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Originally Posted by mensimageconsultant.com
[url]However, it's an issue of perspective. People here or in, for example, Sicily won't see that shoe (with its shine and distinctive shape) as flashy. Those not used to Italian styling, or those who equate Italian styling with Mafia flash, might.
In my opinion, neither the level of shininess of the STP shoes nor their shape is at all distinctive. We'd polish any pair of oxfords to that shine. It could, perhaps, be argued that the stitching at the bottom of the facings is a little unusual--although not really gaudy. And some might find the Norvegese-style stitching a little out-of-the-ordinary. All things considered, however, I just don't see these shoes as "attention-getting," "flashy," or in any way "pimplike." How they would tend to lengthen a man's foot similarly completely escapes me.
post #32 of 40
You're right that shoes should be polished to that degree, but because many people don't do so, it can make them stand out. (In an interview, that alone can be good.)

The shape might not be distinctive. The toe box could be elongated or it might just be a combination of photography and lack of details (like brogueing). Details help distract from the outer dimensions (size) of any object.
post #33 of 40
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Originally Posted by MilanoStyle
So, you think that's a fake Norvegese stitch?

Moreschi calls that construction Tirolese. As far as I can tell, this is a hybrid of Blake and Norwegian construction. According to Moreschi's website, the braided stitching is done by hand, as is the stitching connecting the upper to the midsole. I think, although I am not sure, that the midsole is attached to the insole and outsole using regular Blake stitching.
post #34 of 40
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Originally Posted by jcusey
Moreschi calls that construction Tirolese. As far as I can tell, this is a hybrid of Blake and Norwegian construction. According to Moreschi's website, the braided stitching is done by hand, as is the stitching connecting the upper to the midsole. I think, although I am not sure, that the midsole is attached to the insole and outsole using regular Blake stitching.
So what function, John, does the side braided stitching perform, other than a decorative one? It seems you feel that these shoes have a midsole, but that it is not stitched via the Blake/Rapid process. Is this process (attaching insole, uppers, midsole, and outsole via stitching inside the uppers) what you think Moreschi means by Tirolese? It's hard to see where any aspect of Norwegian construction would come into play here as it appears that there's no welt to stitch through the upper to the feather.
post #35 of 40
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Originally Posted by mensimageconsultant.com
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However, it's an issue of perspective. People here or in, for example, Sicily won't see that shoe (with its shine and distinctive shape) as flashy. Those not used to Italian styling, or those who equate Italian styling with Mafia flash, might.

OK... I know that on AAAC you thought I was picking on you but I swear I am not.
What in the world is pimplike about these? That's a pretty conservative shoe.

On your last trip to Sicily did you see any shoes like this? I'm not being a smartass - I am serious. To me they look absolutely nothing like what I'd see in Sicily.

Serious question, not flaming or ripping you... just curious as to how you reached this conclusion.
post #36 of 40
Roger, you are spot-on...this Moreschi shoe is a Blake/Rapid construction with a decorative stitch around the upper (which is done by hand, but before the upper is lasted). I ordered a pair of these and you can pull the upper completely away from the midsole to expose the stitching details. If you can get over the fact that the construction is a bit disingenuous, the shoes are good looking, and a good deal at this price, IMO.
post #37 of 40
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Originally Posted by Carlo
OK... I know that on AAAC you thought I was picking on you but I swear I am not.
What in the world is pimplike about these? That's a pretty conservative shoe.

On your last trip to Sicily did you see any shoes like this? I'm not being a smartass - I am serious. To me they look absolutely nothing like what I'd see in Sicily.

Serious question, not flaming or ripping you... just curious as to how you reached this conclusion.

You're in NYC, right? By that city's standards, the shoes don't stand out.

In most other parts of North America, it's a different story. On the street, the closest thing to it you are likely to see looks more like this:
http://www.zappos.com/n/p/dp/10862850/c/3.html

Obviously, the Mantellassi is more showy - and better, although it might be too showy for the average workplace.

Is the answer good enough? The preference here is to move on and give more helpful replies to other discussion.
post #38 of 40
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Originally Posted by mensimageconsultant.com
You're in NYC, right? By that city's standards, the shoes don't stand out.

In most other parts of North America, it's a different story. On the street, the closest thing to it you are likely to see looks more like this:
http://www.zappos.com/n/p/dp/10862850/c/3.html

Obviously, the Mantellassi is more showy - and better, although it might be too showy for the average workplace.

Is the answer good enough? The preference here is to move on and give more helpful replies to other discussion.


I think that he is in the hell-hole known as Dallas . I don't think that these shoes would stand out anywhere, except for their being of better quality than other shoes around.

I live in San Francisco and wear shoes that stand out more than those on a regular basis. I even work in them. I think that you should stop writing from a point of authority, as I do not get the feeling that you are better (or as-well) informed than many of the other prople here. I think that your image on this board would benefit from a few strides towards humility.

Personally, I would not wear buy the shoes in question. Then again, I have not owned a pair of black shoes since the mid 90s (formalwear excepted).
post #39 of 40
Dallas actually and they would not stand out much here either.

I do understand your preference to move on very well though, I think I would share it.

Looking forward to more of your insights on these matters.

My apologies if my further inquiry into the basis for your conclusion felt like
post #40 of 40
If your in to Sutor Mantellassi or Santoni you should definetly check out
www.shopthefinest.com where you can find a lot from both brands for $339 and up.

They dont have alot of shoes in every size but the price must be unbeatable?
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