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post #99466 of 109053
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I'd be more interested in seeing how these customers view each other. 

Do Customers D & E view Customer A as aspirational or try hard? Customer A views everyone else as consumerist sheep? Customer C is entirely oblivious to A, B, D & E? 


Well so far we know only how Customer D views Customer E:
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Because Zara (and H+M, etc) are generally ripoff artists, watering down last season's cool and manufacturing it as cheaply as possible for this season's rubes?

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Speaking only for myself, I don't wear fast fashion, but I also have no problems with fast fashion versions of designer items.  This is fashion.  There has never been an original thought.  

 

Re. ethical practices.  If you are not paying $$$, you can nearly be certain that some poor bastard is suffering for your jawns.  Of course, that you are paying $$$ is no guarantee that no poor bastard is suffering.  So, if you want your shit cheap, that's fine.  Just look into the mirror and say "I just don't give a fuck."  It's very liberating.

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I dunno. This all very serious.

 

If you see a Rick piece at full retail for $2,000 and then that same piece is sitting at the end of the season for $400, it doesn't make it any worse.

If everything I liked could be had for Zara prices I'd be all over it, but Zara/H&M/whatever are seriously, absolutely, not up to the standard of the "real thing". Not to say the real thing is worth what they charge.

post #99469 of 109053
This whole it's ok for them to copy because there's never been an original thought is some mindlessly regurgitated bullshit.
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This whole it's ok for them to copy because there's never been an original thought is some mindlessly regurgitated bullshit.

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What expensive out of reach designer doesn't rip off other expensive out of reach designers? At the snooty out of reach web store, which designers move unique conceptual products more than the ones that are just iterations of what's popular at the moment, looking over their shoulders? If Robert Geller makes a $100 scoop-necked t-shirt that looks like everyone else's, why is he so different from Zara?


Does quality and place of manufacture not differ within every brand?
post #99472 of 109053
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Seriously, he should just give them to @SpooPoker, and rake in the money.

+100 who's got the contact info!
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Who invented spray cheese, and why?
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I don't know, but cheese goo is delicious.

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If Robert Geller makes a $100 scoop-necked t-shirt that looks like everyone else's, why is he so different from Zara?

 

Aesthetically, he's not. But fast-fashion companies are selling an aesthetic-- if you want to look Trend X, stop by Zara/TopShop/H&M and you can.  Why do you think "Get the Look" is in so much ad copy? With the designer there's a bit more quality and a lot more mythos involved as a selling point.

post #99475 of 109053
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This whole it's ok for them to copy because there's never been an original thought is some mindlessly regurgitated bullshit.

I mean, highly respected designers often rip off things they saw in vintage clothes and call them "replicas," "vintage inspired," or "vintage reproductions." See MMM, Nigel Cabourn, and 99% of the Japanese workwear ready-to-wear lines.

Tailors do this stuff all the time as well. Copying is how Naples and Hong Kong originally built their tailoring sectors.
post #99476 of 109053
Shhhh the cult of the author must not be disturbed....
post #99477 of 109053
Replace Zara with Topshop/Topman as I think Zara still has a strict employee dress code.
post #99478 of 109053
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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post


I mean, highly respected designers often rip off things they saw in vintage clothes and call them "replicas," "vintage inspired," or "vintage reproductions." See MMM, Nigel Cabourn, and 99% of the Japanese workwear ready-to-wear lines.

Tailors do this stuff all the time as well. Copying is how Naples and Hong Kong originally built their tailoring sectors.

It extends beyond the obviously retro guys.  Rick Owens is an old LA punk dude.  The asymmetrical zips that he is known for is his take on a rider jacket, albeit highly stylized.  But it's not like that feature, not the funnel neck, is really "new" in the sense of it never having been done before.  Not to mention his cartoon sneakers, which are cartoon versions of well known models, but the influence of the many brands of "baller boots", and sneakers from the likes of DBSS, are pretty unmistakeable.

 

And I don't know how many of you remember this, but the now revered MA+ was maligned when it first started as a watered down, derivative, version of Carpe Diem, in the usual "argh, they don't make'em like they used to" narrative.

 

"There are no new ideas" is not a criticism.  It just speaks to the interconnectivity of fashion.

post #99479 of 109053
There's a world of difference between what Zara does and what you're describing above, and I'm sure you know that.
post #99480 of 109053
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There's a world of difference between what Zara does and what you're describing above, and I'm sure you know that.

Are you taking about Fok's examples, or mine as well? I feel like if you're concerned about the ethnics of ripping off someone's design, the examples I gave are even more egregious (esp the Japanese repro brands). At least brands such as Zara are just ripping off a "look," not actual, specific pieces. These guys are sometimes taking a vintage piece and giving it to a manufacturer to reproduce, with no change even in the grading of sizes.

IMO, the only difference is that Zara takes less risk. As in, they identify what's hot on the market, and jump on a trend -- beating it to death until no more profit can be squeezed from it. But that's kind of inherent in a big business model. You have to sell a million units, so you have to be safe from a design standpoint. The reason why smaller lines are more interesting and innovative has nothing to with their ethics. It just has to do with their business model -- they don't need to sell as many units, so they can afford to be more experimental. In fact, they have to be somewhat experimental, so that they charge a premium.

Personally, I think the ends justify the means. The process of ripping designers off is what drives forward a lot of innovation in fashion, and IMO makes it much more interesting. On the MC side of the board, I think you see this as well with bespoke tailors or cordwainers. It used to be that a fiddleback waist was a way for bespoke shoemakers to distinguish their shoes as being something different and and special from RTW lines. Now you have fiddleback waists as "add ons" to a lot of RTW lines -- including some that start as low as the $400-500 mark (not cheap, but not expensive when it comes to the kind of footwear we're talking about). I'm convinced that in five or ten years, there will be some other innovation to distinguish handmade shoes from cheaper made ones produced in China and Vietnam (where some of this lower grade fiddleback waist stuff is being produced). That makes the market much more interesting for enthusiasts. Who wants to look at fiddleback waists for 50 years?
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