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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post


This is blatantly false and the fact that your knowledge of a set of practices, representations, acceptable objectives, institutions, technical terms and even social practices at large DOES influence your "aesthetic taste" is the very reason why people like Dubuffet sought to get rid of all of those influences with art brut.

 

Yes I acknowledge most people now think everything, including taste, is hopelessly politicized; in fact I'm reading Bourdeau's La Disctinction which was a 80s sociology text composed of surveys exhibiting how taste in art is always closely connected to social class and background. But I, me, personally, believe that aesthetic standards can be derived separately from the sociopolitical a la Harold Bloom. For example many including Pissarro saw Gauguin's obsession with the primitive as merely an extension of bourgeois colonialism. But he also painted his Tahiti pictures in exile from European civilization let alone the art world (yes the Tahitians were somewhat westernized), and his channeling of purer modes of painting through savage imagery to become the symbolist painter extraordinaire made use of the bare minimum of theory, institutions, and influence of his contemporaries.

post #96692 of 109053
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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

I can't believe you guys didn't post the most obvious.


Better as, "I pitti the uomo!"
post #96693 of 109053
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Originally Posted by accordion View Post
 

 

Yes I acknowledge most people now think everything, including taste, is hopelessly politicized; in fact I'm reading Bourdeau's La Disctinction which was a 80s sociology text composed of surveys exhibiting how taste in art is always closely connected to social class and background. But I, me, personally, believe that aesthetic standards can be derived separately from the sociopolitical a la Harold Bloom. For example many including Pissarro saw Gauguin's obsession with the primitive as merely an extension of bourgeois colonialism. But he also painted his Tahiti pictures in exile from European civilization let alone the art world (yes the Tahitians were somewhat westernized), and his channeling of purer modes of painting through savage imagery to become the symbolist painter extraordinaire made use of the bare minimum of theory, institutions, and influence of his contemporaries.

 

What? Gauguin lived in Paris and was an art collector, maybe I'm misunderstanding you but I don't know how you can think he wasn't influenced by the art world.

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He was part of the impressionist circle until he moved away from it. Émile Bernard was probably Gauguin's biggest influence but they both were outsiders to the impressionist style back then, and Gauguin didn't really communicate with anyone while at Tahiti. His direction as a painter was a reaction against impressionism initially, and his style eventually developed into a sort of antithesis of impressionism, but his individualism; fascination with primitive artistic instinct, expression, subject matter, etc were really very far away from any sort of institutionalized or socially influenced artistic practice.

 

And yes there were other symbolists, mostly in literature; and Seurat also explored the idea of autonomy in painting and rejected naturalized depictions of Parisian life. But it would be pretty painful to argue that Gauguin was not an outsider and just another product of the times like his impressionist contemporaries. When he returned from Tahiti and attempted to sell his works, no one knew what he was doing and I think only Degas bought a few pieces out of pity. Gauguin started out as an impressionist but his development was individual. He wasn't a true outsider but his career strongly supports the view of pure aesthetic taste.

 

I know very little about fashion but basically in art, literature, or music, if someone has never received formal, academic training, I wouldn't think there's no way they can still be a good artist. If someone has gone to film school but has never heard of say... Truffaut, then I can only think either their training sucked or they're concerned with a different aesthetic.

 

Again this is my own opinion but I think there are really only two factors that determine good taste, social class, which is often a hidden influence, and individual genius, which many will disagree but I think is real.


Edited by accordion - 6/16/14 at 5:30pm
post #96695 of 109053
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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post

Better as, "I pitti the uomo!"

Dude :(

post #96696 of 109053
I love the interplay in this thread between impressionist debate and Pitti memes.
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USA!

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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

Dude frown.gif

Don't act like you didn't like it.

post #96699 of 109053

... dumb pitti post

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It's a pitti you weren't there.

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Originally Posted by g transistor View Post

It still sounds better than the plague of high waisted cut off jorts plaguing the south right now

everyone should honestly just wear EG. males and females alike

isn't this more of a scenester thing on a nat'l level? i've seen LA and carrboro girls wearing those.
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why do i keep getting this tuneupmymac popup on my mac even though popups aren't allowed?
post #96703 of 109053
The trend of women's high waisted shorts has hit Palm Beach hard. Half the time it is the small part of lower ass hanging out variety. I don't have any problems with it I am just really surprised that you go out for dinner and almost every woman I saw was wearing these shorts
post #96704 of 109053
I really like how this guy customized all his own shit. Makes me feel kind of worthless at the same time though.


post #96705 of 109053

I'm so cutting my old pair of Levi's open and adding a YKK #10 zipper.

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