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post #84676 of 98150
^ I've TAd for classes ranging from intro to upper divs, and the discrepancy in effort is palpable. I'm not making the claim that EVERYONE who goes to a highly ranked private university has more drive or whatever but I would say that they are much more predisposed to it while from what I've seen the students here are much more hit and miss.
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I definitely share your sentiment about the increase of a bachelor's as a 'minimum requirement' in traditional jobs. imo critical, systematic issues facing US education are 1. the mentality that everyone is unique and must strive to be the best, stand out, etc. and 2. the lack of ability to properly place students in a fitting academic environment. The first is borne from American exceptionalism, yada yada, but the truth is that, as people have said, university really isn't the right path for some people. The huge stigma associated with trade schools / community colleges also plays into this. And connected to this is the fact that university's filtering systems for their students is downright terrible. There's far too much variance in what students get into where. I've spoken with various admission workers and they've all said that up to a certain degree of precision who gets accepted over someone else is a crapshoot... but the problem is that this degree of precision is very low.

One educational system that has recently been fascinating to me is Singapore's primary / secondary school system. It's almost entirely merit-based, and (this might be the controversial point) students are largely stripped of the idea that they are unique, or DESERVE to go to the #1 school, or whatever. The Singaporean gov't has tried its hardest to reduce variance from socioeconomic status, location, etc. and to focus solely on academic ability. Less buying ones way into college or using connections / legacy. Obviously a parallel between a giant, fragmented state-based nation and what's essentially a city-state is limited, but I still think the Singaporean system is really worth examining. Tangentially linked to this is the idea of personal freedom -- Singaporeans are much more willing to give up personal freedoms for the "greater good." Privacy? I don't care, the gov't can know my name, address, activities, etc. I get socialized healthcare and a gov't healthcare card as a result. Chewing gum is banned? I don't care, I get spotless streets as a result.

But honestly this has strayed a bit from my original point, which wasn't meant to be philosophical in the least, I was just ranting about how directionless, unmotivated people drive me fucking crazy. I'll take a class of dummies any day. lol.

Edited by VitaTimH - 9/30/13 at 4:23pm
post #84677 of 98150
It's university, most people are there because they feel like they have to be, not because they give a shit.
post #84678 of 98150
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Originally Posted by iamacyborg View Post

It's university, most people are there because they feel like they have to be, not because they give a shit.

True that.
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Speaking strictly about the US here, though some might apply to other countries as well:

An entire generation got pretty much force-fed the idea that in order to be successful, normal human beings they must go to college. A whole bunch of parents/guardians/role models/community leaders/prettymuchfreakingeveryone buy into and then encourage that idea despite the fact that few 18-year old kids are ready for college, understand it, or even want to go in the first place. The result: a lot of disinterested kids going to college to emptily pursue a degree, most accumulating insane debt in the process... which all just so happens to have coincided with the growing necessity of having a college degree in order to qualify for any of the precious few jobs that offer more than a barely livable minimum wage.

I didn't encounter many kids at my school who weren't prepared for college, but there were clearly a lot who probably would not have gone through the whole charade if our job market didn't demand it so forcefully. (Of course, college isn't necessarily an expected destination for a large class of young people: almost primarily poor, a mix of under-resourced inner city youth of color, second-gen immigrants, and rural whites and blacks.) It sucks having to meet students where they are when so many fall so far short of the standards that higher education demands, but it's an unsurprising task given how spectacularly our country has failed at prioritizing its needs—especially since the post-war boom.

Edited by thewho13 - 9/30/13 at 4:33pm
post #84679 of 98150

There's a good interview with GDL (No Man Walks Alone) on the other side of the tracks. Amongst other things, he talks about the gulf between swd and cm. Affairs of the heart.

post #84680 of 98150
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It's university, most people are there because they feel like they have to be, not because they give a shit.

Agreed (for the record). Nobody in undergrad is there to "throw themselves into their studies" unless they came to get away from the worst family ever.

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An entire generation got pretty much force-fed the idea that in order to be successful, normal human beings they must go to college. A whole bunch of parents/guardians/role models/community leaders/prettymuchfreakingeveryone buy into and then encourage that idea despite the fact that few 18-year old kids are ready for college, understand it, or even want to go in the first place. The result: a lot of disinterested kids going to college to emptily pursue a degree, most accumulating insane debt in the process... which all just so happens to have coincided with the growing necessity of having a college degree in order to qualify for any of the precious few jobs that offer more than a barely livable minimum wage.

Are you going to question my literacy and sobriety (again) for rightly pointing out how self-contradictory this is (again)?

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There's a good interview with GDL (No Man Walks Alone) on the other side of the tracks. Amongst other things, he talks about the gulf between swd and cm. Affairs of the heart.

He does casual well but I'm not sure about "bridging the gap" when most of the wares I've seen previewed have leaned heavily toward MC (if MC-cas).
post #84681 of 98150
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An entire generation got pretty much force-fed the idea that in order to be successful, normal human beings they must go to college. ...which all just so happens to have coincided with the growing necessity of having a college degree in order to qualify for any of the precious few jobs that offer more than a barely livable minimum wage.

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Are you going to question my literacy and sobriety (again) for rightly pointing out how self-contradictory this is (again)?

to be clear, I'm not defending thewho because I mostly just think he likes to hear(see) himself talk, but don't you think that's simply self-fulfilling rather than self contradicting? seems to me a lot of what's going on is simply a generation of kids who were told college was the path to success effectively displacing themselves as a result of a certain kind of education inflation
post #84682 of 98150
Holy shit I have groupies now.
post #84683 of 98150
Doorman and maitre d were not impressed by my EG at the Trump/Jean Georges. Shocking, I know.
post #84684 of 98150
If the current generation needs to go to college to get a decent job, then it's no longer a ridiculous (force-fed) idea for HS grads to go, is it?

I don't disagree at all with the premise of educational inflation -- lord knows my bachelor degree is worthless.

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Doorman and maitre d were not impressed by my EG at the Trump/Jean Georges. Shocking, I know.

spy pics?
post #84685 of 98150
I was there for dinner.
post #84686 of 98150
this is SF, you should at least have photographed the food laugh.gif
post #84687 of 98150
It's ridiculous that it's a requirement is part of my point. Sure it "makes sense" to then seek a degree but that doesn't just mean it's not an insane reality. Only very few people can take on that debt and still come out alright (i.e. secure an adequate wage-paying job) given how shitty the economy is right now. It's not only wrong but it's unsustainable. What exactly doesn't make sense about this to you?
post #84688 of 98150
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this is SF, you should at least have photographed the food laugh.gif

I'll upload various pics later, including some from dinner.
post #84689 of 98150
My degree is worthless, but I couldn't have landed my job without it.
post #84690 of 98150

I'm in so much college debt.

 

So.

Much.

 

I'm probably going to kill myself once I'm homeless and living under a bridge and an especially harsh winter comes. And all I have to defend me from the elements are my two TOJ jackets. 

 

Just a couple trinkets from a time when dreams meant something.

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