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post #81136 of 102354
Good riddance.
post #81137 of 102354
You're reading out of context. The quality not as good part was referring to brad t's argument. I just lumped creativity and quality together to make a point. I don't mean things like construction and materials have declined (although drew seems to think so). I've seen lots of margiela in person old and new worn and unworn
post #81138 of 102354
Not surprised by BB's closing either, may be for the better since they did make a few great things...Their prices/stocklists were just sort of out of touch
post #81139 of 102354
Pretty sure neither your nor most people on the forum who bring up this ridiculous "Margiela-is-gone-now-the-label-should-die" argument can actually differentiate between old Margiela and new Margiela.

also whatever drew says about the quality of his jacket versus the current models may or may not be true I don't know, but in general the stuff is very well made from very good fabrics, so I don't know what people are complaining about none of you fuckers are going to wear the belt jacket.
post #81140 of 102354
Because you can right?

I've never said the label should die. I was wondering why people care about margiela when creativity, IMO, has declined. It's good stuff but it seems so repetitive and derivative.

Why are you so riled up over an argument I've never made?
post #81141 of 102354
MMM

this is a good blog
http://mmm-maisonmartinmargiela.tumblr.com/

old skool

post #81142 of 102354
Heh I was in BB just recently. Nothing really stood out, but they had a cool wall of boro noragis up. I really liked their buys 3 or so years ago, but since then, meh.
Also, the SA was wearing one of those Givecchi Hentai tees.
Edited by snake - 7/2/13 at 4:09pm
post #81143 of 102354
that blog is great. case in point though, you could recreate almost all of the looks from that ss02 mens presentation with some sublte variations from the current ss13 collection that's in the store right now.

re indestertum: no, I'm saying I can't and I don't think most could except those who have been very familiar with the brand for a long long time. Which is almost no one who actively posts on this forum.

i'm being shrill because 1) there is this almost totally fabricated idea going around here that what we value in men's fashion is capital c Creativity and 2) I don't get on the forum very often but when I do I am inundated with proclamations from ridiculous armchair critics about what brands are good or should or shouldn't be relevant but i feel like most of these people rarely actually interface with the garments or the stores and are just looking at 2d pictures on a computer screen and deciding the fate of the fashion world. That and a lot of people are sort of short-sighted, narrow minded or have middling taste. I'm sort of taking this out on you because you went for the very dumb "Margiela is gone, why care about the brand now?" thing.
post #81144 of 102354
Blackbird really suffered from the loss of Tyler Brown, who could be credited with making the blog compelling when very few retail store blogs were, and who was the first to introduce lines like Diet Butcher Slim Skin and N. Hoolywood to many people, myself included. He was even one of the early proponents of Julius. His knowledge and enthusiasm was contagious. I think that after he left, Nicole became a bit reactive. There is a fine balance between having vision and taking care of business, and from the outside, at least, it seemed like she was too focused on taking care of business - trying to get all the lines that were selling (Woolrich Woolen Mills, for one season, for example), and not committing to any vision long enough that it had any inertia. They had a women's section, and then they didn't. They had a apothecary, and then they didn't. And so on.

I like stores with an eclectic mix of products - Alan Bilzerian in Boston never ceased to amaze and educate me. However, eclectic is different from "confusing", which is how I found Blackbird after Tyler left for good.

I know that Nicole is a controversial figure, but she and I never had anything but a cordial relationship, and I wish her well in all her future endeavors. Blackbird had a good run, and it was time to call it a day...
post #81145 of 102354
Margiela isn't as conceptual as it used to be. Now it's more of a typical luxury company. They do still make some cool stuff. There's a bomber from spring for instance that just looks like a surplus bomber from far off (or in pics) but up close the fabric is really great and the details are nice. But a lot of it is also nice, well-made, but relatively uninteresting basics.

Edit: I think that shift from concept driven to luxury driven, or whatever you want to call it, becomes especially clear when looking at how the old collections were presented versus the new ones. I will say that I definitely think plenty of opinions on here are based on what other people say though and not the person's own experience, so one person's subjective opinion can quickly become gospel.
Edited by pickpackpockpuck - 7/2/13 at 4:27pm
post #81146 of 102354
Margiela has gotten a lot more exposure and a lot more expensive. It used to be definitely easier to get a lot more for your money. For example, the spliced betls from the 0 10 line were about 1/2 to 2/3 of the price of a considerably less interesting belt from the 22 line today. But that may just be the designer market in general - prices in the luxury sector have gone up precipitously, much more than inflation would warrant, for a number of reasons.
post #81147 of 102354
what p4 said
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Originally Posted by AndrewRyanWallace View Post

that blog is great. case in point though, you could recreate almost all of the looks from that ss02 mens presentation with some sublte variations from the current ss13 collection that's in the store right now.

this is exactly my point. margiela is becoming more derivative and the clothing they are putting out isn't anything you haven't seen before.
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re indestertum: no, I'm saying I can't and I don't think most could except those who have been very familiar with the brand for a long long time. Which is almost no one who actively posts on this forum.

it was a rhetorical question meant to show how absurd it was to have such a requirement to judge margiela. being able to differentiate old and new margiela has no relationship with being able to form an opinion on margiela

you're so riled up against this fictional person you've created in your mind. i dont know why you cant accept it when i tell you i've seen lots of margiela in person. nyc has a margiela store not to mention all the department stores carry it. just because i disagree with you doesn't mean i haven't seen margiela in person
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"Margiela is gone, why care about the brand now?" thing.

I would reword it to

"Creativity has gone down since Margiela left, why care about the brand now?"

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Originally Posted by AndrewRyanWallace View Post

why is Margiela still relevant? It is a very successful brand. one specific reason i'd point to is that the stuff looks and feels luxurious, but on the whole is pretty basic with nice subtle design elements. for instance a lot of the ss13 stuff is different plays on stripes, online it looks like nothing, when you see it in person you realize the stripes are distorted or partly faded and there is a lovely interplay between the fabric and the pattern, the textures and the colors... in general, but particularly with margiela, if your experience with a brand is limited to browsing lookbooks and yoox i'd suggest trying to find it in person, and I don't just mean a few sweaters, find a store with a good solid buy that has some depth and try some of the stuff on. you have to touch it, you have to feel it move and you'll really know when you feel it on your body.

this is an argument i can accept. margiela is still relevant because their fabrics are interesting and original.
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Rappers name dropping it sounds silly but that's actually a pretty solid indicator that a lot of people continue to be interested.

this is not.

rappers rap about a margiela jacket because it has the name margiela

this is also my original point. i know people are interested in margiela. i'm asking why people continue to be interested about margiela. their clothing is nice and luxurious in person, but there's nothing really exciting or new that another brand (or itself in a previous year) hasn't put out before. luxurious basics are nice but i dont think nice makes it relevant


calm down dude. shit doesnt matter like brad-t said. im bored and i just want to talk about clothing with somebody
Edited by indesertum - 7/2/13 at 4:47pm
post #81148 of 102354
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Originally Posted by pickpackpockpuck View Post

Margiela isn't as conceptual as it used to be. Now it's more of a typical luxury company. They do still make some cool stuff. There's a bomber from spring for instance that just looks like a surplus bomber from far off (or in pics) but up close the fabric is really great and the details are nice. But a lot of it is also nice, well-made, but relatively uninteresting basics.

Edit: I think that shift from concept driven to luxury driven, or whatever you want to call it, becomes especially clear when looking at how the old collections were presented versus the new ones. I will say that I definitely think plenty of opinions on here are based on what other people say though and not the person's own experience, so one person's subjective opinion can quickly become gospel.

Well, there are certainly a lot more variations of "entry level" items like the sneakers, which appeal to the aspirational market. But then again, it's not like the marketers weren't pushing that stuff as soon as the Diesel group took over. It used to be unrecognizable to most people, including SAs, who would look at the label in bemusement, but I remember, as early as 2003 (maybe 2002?) that the UK GQ was touting the wonderful fit of the tees and the special "in status" that the four stitches would bestow.
post #81149 of 102354
Simply for me it is not about putting out something exciting. Margiela gives me all that I want- wearable clothing (I don't want to buy anything I wont wear) that comes in interesting fabrics and deigns and like i said a while a back a design that makes me say why didn't I think of that. This coupled with the fact that the fit is always spot on for me (thankfully they are very reliable when it comes to sizing) and I do not not need to look anywhere else for my clothing. Of course what is called basics here is my leather jacket or coat because of where I live
post #81150 of 102354
lol i am very calm homie. most of this is not addressed to you personally but to people on this forum that write things like "Margiela is gone, why should anyone care now?" often are the ones who have never seen the stuff in person. I believe you when you say you've seen it, I'm not calling you a liar. I'm explaining why I am annoyed when I read things like that.

on the other hand your perception of why rappers rap about margiela is pretty short sighted. at the end of the day what is relevant is what is out in the stores, being worn and being bought. More hip hop artists are talking about it and wearing it. You're crazy if you don't think that has been a huge boon for the company.
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