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post #75736 of 80686
3/14/13 at 8:38pm
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Originally Posted by jet View Post

they probably pay 10-20% of the retail i'm guessing

They would be extremely generous, then. The TJX brands pay out a maximum of $0.08 on the retail dollar, and private resellers who can't cover the same amount of volume pay a little more. But 20% would be huge, 1/2 of wholesale. That would be an extremely difficult business model to make profitable, considering their pricing and mark down strategies and the overhead and labor costs that they must incur. I'm guessing that they pay well under $0.10 on the retail dollar.
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post #75737 of 80686
3/14/13 at 8:48pm
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Originally Posted by Timbaland View Post

It kind of feel bad sometimes when I order stuff to try on, so I generally their 7 item max limit and return what doesn't work. But I'm sure yoox makes a lot of money buying their clothes in huge lots for cheap so I don't feel so bad.

Why would you feel bad for Yoox? They aren't stupid; they only offer free shipping because it ultimately makes them more money.

In any case, shipping is not that expensive for companies getting bulk rates; at my not-huge company, we get 75%+ off expedited services and 30-50% off ground.
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post #75738 of 80686
3/14/13 at 8:53pm
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Originally Posted by g transistor View Post

http://www.orionmagazine.org/index.php/articles/article/6682/

A fun read, if you're interested Lionheart

This is a cool article but ecopsychology and ecological psychology are (almost) entirely unrelated. I'm having trouble finding a good introductory article or paper that's not pay-walled, but if you have access to j-stor, ebsco, or whatever, look for articles by Gibson, Turvey or Heft. Clark and Chalmers, though coming from the philosophy side of things, have very similar perspectives.
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post #75739 of 80686
3/14/13 at 9:03pm
Shhhh I wanted everyone to think you were just going to school to be a dirty hippie
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post #75740 of 80686
3/14/13 at 9:48pm
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Originally Posted by Distorbiant View Post

1. Your upbringing has nothing to do with your current class privilege. See the end of this post for my original intent.

Where are you getting this idea that there's this huge gap in class and "wealth" between you and me? Since graduating from college, I've basically pieced together my overall income through various jobs. I make enough to pay my bills and have a little bit of "fun" money. Unless you have no income at all, I'd guess there's virtually no gap between us in that respect.
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2. I fully realize it costs money to ship something. Yes offering free shipping is at a cost to the vendor. As a consumer, I want a free-to-fair deal on shipping. That's my preference. I don't know why you keep insisting that I "understand" things.

Because you don't seem to be understanding things. Most clothing sites work off some sort of flat rate or tier pricing for shipping. It would be a logistical mess to say, "OK, shipping for this jacket is $x, and shipping for this shirt is $x." Unless I missed something, the site in question was charging a flat rate, whether it was a shirt or several items. And even with price breaks, shipping stuff is not cheap. Go look up how much it costs to send something that's just a pound across country.
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I just wish you would stop with all the condescending/patronizing language. It's needlessly antagonistic. I know shipping stuff costs money. Like LA Guy just posted, it does build high customer rapport. I love buying items from Revolve, for example, because of their generous shipping policy. I've also recommended them to many people. Recently I bought a scarf from Blackbird Ballard since they hooked me up with free shipping. Now my friend is buying a scarf from them as well. Shit, I even dropped them a yelp review. These are just personal anecdotes, but good customer service goes a long way with me. Free or fair shipping costs is part of good customer service.

See, you're making it out to be like I've got an issue with free shipping. That's not the case. What customer doesn't enjoy free shipping? My point was just that when a site doesn't offer free shipping, it shouldn't be this travesty of justice or an indictment of that site's reputation. Free shipping, while a bonus, isn't a great indicator of customer service to me. I've had plenty of poor experiences with sites that offered free shipping, and plenty of great experiences with sites that tacked on a shipping charge.

And again, your complaint came in response to a PSA that the site was offering 30 percent off its items. Everyone enjoys good deals, but it doesn't mean we have to try to bleed every last penny of savings possible to justify making the purchase. If that's the case, perhaps it's not something you actually want that much? Speaking of...
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It also has a lot to do with the ratio of item cost to shipping cost. If I'm buying a cheap item and then a site hits me with a shipping fee that's practically half the cost of that item, it kind of ruins the value in my eyes.

I think most will agree that you will be happier with your wardrobe when you stop making "value" such a high priority when it comes to buying clothes. I've balked at buying something before because of the shipping price, but it was ultimately almost always something that I didn't want THAT much. If it's something you really want, what's another $14?
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P.S. The TOJ comment is a low blow. I barely knew about TOJ at all when I posted that. But I'm flattered you'd look through my posting history to find something to try to troll me with!

I follow the ToJ thread pretty closely. No searching necessary. smile.gif
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post #75741 of 80686
3/14/13 at 10:05pm
I think free shipping is a really smart way to drum up new/continued business. Otherwise, I don't mind paying actual shipping costs, but if it's clearly like 2x the cost even I would have to pay to ship, I start to have second thoughts
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post #75742 of 80686
3/14/13 at 10:22pm
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Originally Posted by gettoasty View Post

Ordered two shoes via DHL express international...arrived in less than 3 days, but I was not home to pick up

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Now I know that feeling. Usually I could pick up if it was Fedex/UPS

Wait doesn't Fedex/UPS charge you to pick it up? I tried having something held at the UPS store down a few blocks away and they wanted like $7 for that shit.


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Originally Posted by DesignerValet View Post

Why would you feel bad for Yoox? They aren't stupid; they only offer free shipping because it ultimately makes them more money.

In any case, shipping is not that expensive for companies getting bulk rates; at my not-huge company, we get 75%+ off expedited services and 30-50% off ground.

I think a couple of times I returned everything from my order. Damn I didn't know the bulk rates were that good. So maybe yoox doesn't take a hit at all on the $6 return shipping. Although a couple times they didn't refund me the right amount but it was only like a buck or 2 each time so I didn't even bother calling them.
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post #75743 of 80686
3/14/13 at 10:24pm
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Originally Posted by Timbaland View Post

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Originally Posted by gettoasty View Post

Ordered two shoes via DHL express international...arrived in less than 3 days, but I was not home to pick up

ffffuuuu.gif

Now I know that feeling. Usually I could pick up if it was Fedex/UPS

Wait doesn't Fedex/UPS charge you to pick it up? I tried having something held at the UPS store down a few blocks away and they wanted like $7 for that shit.


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Originally Posted by DesignerValet View Post

Why would you feel bad for Yoox? They aren't stupid; they only offer free shipping because it ultimately makes them more money.

In any case, shipping is not that expensive for companies getting bulk rates; at my not-huge company, we get 75%+ off expedited services and 30-50% off ground.

I think a couple of times I returned everything from my order. Damn I didn't know the bulk rates were that good. So maybe yoox doesn't take a hit at all on the $6 return shipping. Although a couple times they didn't refund me the right amount but it was only like a buck or 2 each time so I didn't even bother calling them.

FedEx will drop your package off at a FedEx store for free, I use this all the time, even before the item is attempted to be delivered since I know I won't be there. UPS will hold it at the distribution center for free. They'll hold it at a store for money, but I've tried this and was always rebuked.
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post #75744 of 80686
3/14/13 at 11:01pm
New TOJ/JC suede jacket icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gifnod[1].gif
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post #75745 of 80686
3/14/13 at 11:06pm
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Originally Posted by APK View Post


Where are you getting this idea that there's this huge gap in class and "wealth" between you and me? Since graduating from college, I've basically pieced together my overall income through various jobs. I make enough to pay my bills and have a little bit of "fun" money. Unless you have no income at all, I'd guess there's virtually no gap between us in that respect.
Because you don't seem to be understanding things. Most clothing sites work off some sort of flat rate or tier pricing for shipping. It would be a logistical mess to say, "OK, shipping for this jacket is $x, and shipping for this shirt is $x." Unless I missed something, the site in question was charging a flat rate, whether it was a shirt or several items. And even with price breaks, shipping stuff is not cheap. Go look up how much it costs to send something that's just a pound across country.

See, you're making it out to be like I've got an issue with free shipping. That's not the case. What customer doesn't enjoy free shipping? My point was just that when a site doesn't offer free shipping, it shouldn't be this travesty of justice or an indictment of that site's reputation. Free shipping, while a bonus, isn't a great indicator of customer service to me. I've had plenty of poor experiences with sites that offered free shipping, and plenty of great experiences with sites that tacked on a shipping charge.

And again, your complaint came in response to a PSA that the site was offering 30 percent off its items. Everyone enjoys good deals, but it doesn't mean we have to try to bleed every last penny of savings possible to justify making the purchase. If that's the case, perhaps it's not something you actually want that much? Speaking of...

I think most will agree that you will be happier with your wardrobe when you stop making "value" such a high priority when it comes to buying clothes. I've balked at buying something before because of the shipping price, but it was ultimately almost always something that I didn't want THAT much. If it's something you really want, what's another $14?

I follow the ToJ thread pretty closely. No searching necessary. smile.gif

 

You're buying $1000 jackets. I'm not going to argue the topic of income any further. You can believe what you want and I can believe what I want. 

 

 

As for the shipping, you're not explaining anything to me that I don't already know. It all comes down to the fact that it does not cost $14 to ship a shirt, period. No hate to that site, they can do their thing. , but I will give my business to places that provide superior customer service. It's really that simple. 

 

That's just me though. It's not a misunderstanding, it's a preference. 

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post #75746 of 80686
3/14/13 at 11:20pm
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Originally Posted by Distorbiant View Post

As for the shipping, you're not explaining anything to me that I don't already know. It all comes down to the fact that it does not cost $14 to ship a shirt, period.

Perhaps it's not worth their time and effort to process and ship an order for a single shirt for less. Their time has value too. I considered buying a sunspel shirt and decided not to order once I saw how much shipping was because it was no longer a good deal; I did not jump on a forum and self-righteously bitch about how unfair their shipping costs were.
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post #75747 of 80686
3/14/13 at 11:43pm
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Originally Posted by VLSI View Post


Perhaps it's not worth their time and effort to process and ship an order for a single shirt for less. Their time has value too. I considered buying a sunspel shirt and decided not to order once I saw how much shipping was because it was no longer a good deal; I did not jump on a forum and self-righteously bitch about how unfair their shipping costs were.

 


But now you're bitching about bitching. Nobody is innocent. uhoh.gif

 

And I didn't act self-righteous. 

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post #75748 of 80686
3/15/13 at 6:11am
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Originally Posted by smashwindow View Post

I met the dude that owns/started this company, thought it was interesting that he had no idea what the blogosphere or #menswear are.

I like topo. Someone at the company is aware of bloggers/#menswear b/c they've been at Capsule and I'm 90% sure have sent stuff to bloggers for review.
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post #75749 of 80686
3/15/13 at 6:25am
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Originally Posted by A Fellow Linguist View Post

I just spent like three days travelling / interviewing for a job in Wisconsin, only to come home to an acceptance email from my top choice grad school. Most satisfying waste of time ever.

and it's a fashion thought because now I'll be in no-kop club: 2013-2018 edition.

 

 

First of all, congrats.  But this job in Wisconsin that flew you out did it have a 4 letter name that began with E?  And if so, how annoying of a place to work at does it seem to be haha

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post #75750 of 80686
3/15/13 at 7:23am
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Originally Posted by spacepope View Post

Also part of me really wants to kop some TOJ, maybe the new DR or the BCDR or something, maybe the MA-1, even though it isn't totally congruent with my style or where I want it head. I guess I just miss the days where I could roll out of bed and not give a shit and throw on my 2010 DR and stagger out the door looking objectively good

 

I felt the same way, like they're good but not quite perfect for me, and I kept putting off ordering one and then a rick leather that i'd never seen before popped up and I think I'm way happier with it than I'd be with a toj.

 

I'd still consider getting one though, I guess all I'm saying is don't force it just because it's a better deal.

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