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Random fashion thoughts - Page 4702post #70516 of 1090541/1/13 at 1:11pm
Styleforum Top Pickspost #70517 of 1090541/1/13 at 1:14pmQuote:Originally Posted by Master-Classter
I'm not sure what I'm conflating here. Basically I'm trying to lay out a number of possible reasons why someone would pay more for a particular item. So it could be that it's got a more interesting design and they're paying for creativity, or better quality in terms of materials and construction, or wanting to be associated with the brand/lifestyle, or higher costs because of limited production volumes and distribution, etc. And the argument I'm putting forth, is that I don't understand how anyone can believe they're paying more because of the items quality of materials (as they relate only to durability) or construction.
Really depends on your aesthetic, I would say. Some people are going to have different ideals. For instance, people who go for that heritage lumberjack look with the flannel and work boots and heavyweight denim probably care more about durability than much of anything else. And people who like that aesthetic can spend quite alot of money on it, just look at the cost of that repro Japanese denim.
The argument has been done to death though, and at the end of the day there needs to be a balance between decent quality (subjective word, I know) and whatever else we're paying for (unique design, etc). For example, I think its unacceptable for the sole to peel after a week of wear on a pair of Rick Owens boots that probably cost upwards of $1,000, but everyone has a different line.
also i agree with reedo, you have an assload of clothes. i have two pairs of jeans, 4 suits, a stack of t-shirts, maybe 5 or 6 casual button up shirts, and maybe 6 pieces of outerwear? also a load of shoes. Damn writing it down makes me feel like i need to cop moar.Quote:Originally Posted by willy cheesesteak
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dont we already have a post pictures of hot chicks thread?post #70518 of 1090541/1/13 at 1:19pmI wear 3 pairs of pants regularly. RRL officer chinos and W+H westpoint and RRL low straight on the weekend. The low straights have been worn pretty regularly for a year and half and is still in great shape. When I wore Uniqlo or even Ernest Sewn they would be done after maybe 7 months or so.
I should really just sell the rest of my pants but 23 isn't that much honestly I probably have 15 pairs at least. I bought 19 pairs of shoes last month (and though most were on sale most pairs were still $300 and everything was full grain or shell), which is fucking ridiculous considering that's pretty much my age and like 3 months of salary (though my salary is my lowest source of income). Cleaning up my act though this year and only buying shoes I really want so I don't have to deal with the hassle of returning or selling them This is SF you end up buying shit you don't need since it's something that's nice and a good price. I don't really buy anything I'd consider designer but I'd say I do like to buy stuff that does have a reputation of being well madepost #70519 of 1090541/1/13 at 1:34pmA lot of my overbuying came from noob mistakes, like when I first started reading SF and blogs and stuff and I was thinking, "hell yeah, I have to get some chinos and polos" and now a year later (or two years, I've lost track of how long I've been here) I have a bunch of chinos and polos in my closet that I never wear.post #70520 of 1090541/1/13 at 1:37pmQuote:Originally Posted by caseyfud
A lot of my overbuying came from noob mistakes, like when I first started reading SF and blogs and stuff and I was thinking, "hell yeah, I have to get some chinos and polos" and now a year later (or two years, I've lost track of how long I've been here) I have a bunch of chinos and polos in my closet that I never wear.
Location: Albuquerquepost #70521 of 1090541/1/13 at 1:45pmQuote:
This is the conflation you are making. Your basic argument is that it's silly to buy "purely for durability," but nobody actually does that unless you are thinking of a lumberjack buying his work clothes -- people buy for what they perceive as "quality" (which has to include design, among other things, because nobody buys something hideous "because it's durable" at least with any relation to style as discussed here) and durability often comes up as a factor in that (though it's exaggerated out of proportion, which is maybe what you're getting at). Quality of materials does not have to equal durability, as brad touched on, but just think of cashmere versus wool. Quality of construction does not have to equal durability either. A tidily made, unlined jacket with very neat stitching might actually be more fragile even purely in terms of construction than something much more shoddily made but with more stitches overall (that would doubtless be hidden with a lining). Lots of Loro Piana jackets, for instance, come with the underside of the collar done in the softest, finest suede you have ever felt in your life, and that's something almost nobody ever even sees, but it amply demonstrates quality of materials and construction without increasing durability.
You pay for that if you appreciate it, and if you don't appreciate it, you don't pay for it. But the difference between cheap goods and more expensive goods is (often enough) very real, whether in terms of design or materials or construction, just not (usually) in terms of "durability," though durability is nevertheless often trotted out as a sort of weak buttress to the general argument of "quality" (as opposed to invoking brand/luxury/lifestyle, the way a group of people fawning over Louboutins might do).
EDIT to add:Quote:Originally Posted by Master-Classter
it always amazes me how much stuff people keep buying. Plus I work in retail so I always see people buying just volumes and volumes of clothes and I just don't know who needs all this stuff. Like I have so much clothing I couldn't possibly wear it all, it's a 2 month rotation if I wore each piece once and I don't even have that much (see below). So nobody's pushing me to, but I feel like maybe I'm missing out here when you guys are all picking up pieces from the new ABC collection, I just don't understand where the rest of the old clothes are going? Like, I appreciate that the designs are cool and interesting and the desire to own and wear them, but I can't justify throwing anything out on the basis of it reaching it's life in terms of durability, nor can I delude myself into believing it's out of date/style or I have such an ego that being bored with an item is justification enough to get rid of it... so when/how do you guys end up kicking items out of your wardrobe?
I agree with you here. Personally, I've got a large but reasonably sized wardrobe, and I bought a lot last year but I'm still young and building my wardrobe to begin with; I don't expect to keep up the pace. I intend to consciously purchase less in 2013 and I'm as curious as you are what some people do with the large amount they continually buy.
Edited by GoldenTribe - 1/1/13 at 2:00pmpost #70522 of 1090541/1/13 at 1:57pmWhat max said.
In the context of designer clothing, quality in the sense of durability is not much more than an advertising point. And while brad makes good points, fabric treated to the point that it is indistinguishable from worse material, asymmetric stitching and imperfections might be desired and much more expensive than a product without them (as you all know). I see quality as a subjective value created from a certain community. Often, outside of this community, it does mean nothing. Just look at the MClers entering the baller footwear thread and laughing at the CD&Augusta aesthetic, as for their eyes the treatment makes the product worse and not better (And for some treatment I too refuse to see the value unless I m proven wrong -- e.g. pigeon shit gats ).
Clearly this definition of quality does not equal durability. But durability is an aspect of quality, again for certain communities. Take the workwear trend as an example.
For many the path to designer clothing goes through a stage of acquiring objectively better made stuff though (its hard to undercut mass-produced clothes), which leads to the argument of durability being a indicator of "nicer stuff".post #70523 of 1090541/1/13 at 2:16pmpost #70524 of 1090541/1/13 at 2:25pmpost #70525 of 1090541/1/13 at 2:32pm
Just purged my closet and its ridiculous the amount of clothes I got rid, sorry most of my old stuff is traded to my brother law in exchange for furniture (my sister worked at design within reach for years so I'm happy to get her hand me downs)post #70526 of 1090541/1/13 at 2:35pmpost #70527 of 1090541/1/13 at 2:49pmi just recently did a purge. For me it was letting go of shirts that dont fit right. Had a lot of them that were too tight on the chest and shoulders but i convinced myself it was ok because it fit my waist right.
and random goth ninja attemptspost #70528 of 1090541/1/13 at 2:58pmpost #70529 of 1090541/1/13 at 3:03pm
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