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post #67111 of 98866
For the purposes of this site, fashion and consumption are not the same thing.

Don't get me wrong -- in many ways SF is better than it's ever been. Way more readers, way more diversity in style, lots more interaction with labels and brands. The unknown designer thread is amazing. The Yohji thread is a fascinating mini-community and an excellent read. But it also seems that in some ways the SF zeitgeist has shifted: there's a sense of bland designer overconsumption that's replaced originality and stylistic innovation. Too many people are spending too much money to look too awkward and too plain.
post #67112 of 98866
Can you point to some specific examples, Teger? Preferably ones that aren't Reedo? redface.gif

I find what you're saying pretty interesting but I'd like to know if there's something in particular making you feel that way.
post #67113 of 98866
It's funny seeing people talk about workwear being frowned upon or anything else being frowned upon. Blah blah.

The reality is... figure out a way to make it work and kill it in a fit or two and realize nothing is off the table except what your ingenuity leaves off of it. Make stuff work!

Start a trend and influence people with your bad ass fits. Level up until you solve the Birkenstock fit and beat the game of Styleforum!
post #67114 of 98866
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Originally Posted by afixedpoint View Post

Not always immune to SF hype either, seriously thought about kopping a Schneider Alpaca from B&S, but thought about it and realized how silly that would be

No one is immune to hype. It's just important to be aware of the influence it has on you and to rethink some of the decisions you make that might be based purely on it. Advocacy for stuff that people like is good but it definitely seems to get out of control here at times (other places too but perhaps increasingly so here).
post #67115 of 98866
It's hard to really point to any one thing and go, hey, that's what I'm talking about! (I'm also lazy and don't want to dig through lots of posts). And when we're talking about zeitgeist, or worldview, or what have you, it's hard to define in concrete terms - it's more a general sense than anything else..

There's definitely been an aesthetic shift in SF over the last year or so. Away from workwear-style brands and into more aspirational designer or even outright designer territory. That, in and of itself, isn't bad, other than the fact that there's a sort of meaningless consumption associated with overprice designer clothing more so than other choices, but it's more than that...

I think it might have a lot to do, in part, with the like system. I originally liked the like system (*rimshot*), but I think it functions to kill conversation. People post solely to get likes. There's too much meta posting in which a poster posts in a way calculated to get lots of likes. Collecting likes, for some poster, seems to be the purpose of the WAYWT thread, instead of sharing and outfit and soliciting feedback. It also isolates comments away from where most people can see them, and in that way it stifles interaction and debate.

This is probably reaching, but I think that the growing consumerism I'm talking about is a reflection of the websites redesign and obvious efforts to solicit more income. I don't begrudge Fok for trying to make a living off SF (in fact, more power to him), but content follows form, and the form right now just screams solicitation.
post #67116 of 98866
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Originally Posted by Teger View Post

For the purposes of this site, fashion and consumption are not the same thing.
Don't get me wrong -- in many ways SF is better than it's ever been. Way more readers, way more diversity in style, lots more interaction with labels and brands. The unknown designer thread is amazing. The Yohji thread is a fascinating mini-community and an excellent read. But it also seems that in some ways the SF zeitgeist has shifted: there's a sense of bland designer overconsumption that's replaced originality and stylistic innovation. Too many people are spending too much money to look too awkward and too plain.

Awkward people or people who give people on an online forum free reign on how to dress them are generally going to look awkward in most cases, whether they're decked out in a Self Edge-approved coal miner's replica getup or some edgy $6,000 artisan ensemble. In practice, SW&D moving away from being mostly raw denim and flannels to mid-tier and high-end labels has lead to some wonderful discourse (e.g. the Yohji thread) and visual contributions (a lot of the WAYWT mainstays who weren't frequent contributors a couple of years ago), but it's also made Styleforum a more costly endeavor for the people described in the first sentence. Instead of your raw denim and Red Wings, you've gotta go get your Zam pants and side-zips.

Also, some people apparently didn't realize the "baller" movement that bubbled up here two or three years ago was tongue-in-cheek.
post #67117 of 98866
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Originally Posted by APK View Post

Awkward people or people who give people on an online forum free reign on how to dress them are generally going to look awkward in most cases, whether they're decked out in a Self Edge-approved coal miner's replica getup or some edgy $6,000 artisan ensemble. In practice, SW&D moving away from being mostly raw denim and flannels to mid-tier and high-end labels has lead to some wonderful discourse (e.g. the Yohji thread) and visual contributions (a lot of the WAYWT mainstays who weren't frequent contributors a couple of years ago), but it's also made Styleforum a more costly endeavor for the people described in the first sentence. Instead of your raw denim and Red Wings, you've gotta go get your Zam pants and side-zips.
Also, some people apparently didn't realize the "baller" movement that bubbled up here two or three years ago was tongue-in-cheek.

I think it was less tongue-in-cheek than we'd like to think.

It's more than price as a barrie to entry: raw denim and Red Wings aren't cheap, and you can deck yourself out in an en vogue look right now from Uniqlo, CoS and H&M if you try hard enough. Maybe the ultra-commercialized/advertising/monetized aspects of designer clothing bleed into the discussions of it?

I'm also torn about the price-entry specific threads. On one hand having a price floor really focuses conversation, while on the other hand its tacky. And shouldn't an items stylishness exist independent of its price tag?
post #67118 of 98866
re: workwear

I wouldn't say it's dead here, either, but rather, repurposed. Instead of the head-to-toe urban lumberjack that you saw a lot of here in 2008-09, you've got people such as AFL incorporating a workwear piece or two into an overall "darker" outfit or TWorksheets working in some EG into an outfit that wouldn't seem out of place next to some designer stuff.
post #67119 of 98866
I think the yohji mini community "gets it" a lot more than sf as a whole does. one thing which they consistently stress, is what matters is how you feel in your clothing and whether or not you enjoy your outfits. when it comes down to it, no one wears yohji or most of the other brands we talk about for mass social approval, so in the end, what matters is that you're happy.
post #67120 of 98866
Workwear talk reminds me of Scott M, the Junya dude. He has not posted in a while, but I was a fan.
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post #67122 of 98866
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Originally Posted by afixedpoint View Post

Workwear talk reminds me of Scott M, the Junya dude. He has not posted in a while, but I was a fan.
He posts on sufu still.

Also, I think part of the "problem" is that some people expect a degree of satisfaction from their wardrobe that is simply unattainable.
post #67123 of 98866
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Originally Posted by Teger View Post

I think it might have a lot to do, in part, with the like system. I originally liked the like system (*rimshot*), but I think it functions to kill conversation. People post solely to get likes. There's too much meta posting in which a poster posts in a way calculated to get lots of likes. Collecting likes, for some poster, seems to be the purpose of the WAYWT thread, instead of sharing and outfit and soliciting feedback. It also isolates comments away from where most people can see them, and in that way it stifles interaction and debate.

I agree with this to an extent.
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Originally Posted by Teger View Post

This is probably reaching, but I think that the growing consumerism I'm talking about is a reflection of the websites redesign and obvious efforts to solicit more income. I don't begrudge Fok for trying to make a living off SF (in fact, more power to him), but content follows form, and the form right now just screams solicitation.

There's a couple of things at play here, so I'm not going to agree or disagree.

The new form of the forum is more conducive to solicitation, but it's also been set up in a way that's much easier to access information. There's been a focus towards making the forum a more accessible resource. The links on the home page, the rules in B&S, the tailor's threads, the editorials, 101s etc etc. I think this is not a bad change to make.

However, a direct (and perhaps inherent) consequence of this is that it utilises and potentially exploits the role of posters. Rather than being solely aimed at passing information from one poster to another, good posts effectively become advertising that floats around and is re-shared and may end up on some website selling polyester scarves. Buzzwords are taken out of context and are used as selling points. People forget that information presented comes from a specific user who has a personal perspective.
post #67124 of 98866
How can one get a self IP ban for 'x' amount of months?
post #67125 of 98866
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Originally Posted by gettoasty View Post

How can one get a self IP ban for 'x' amount of months?

This had better not be the impetus for gettoasty dicktures.
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