Armoury didn't have the kind of shit I like, haven't checked frans will take a gander.
jet, you might check out ralph lauren black label for tux pants. or maybe even brooks black fleece. both slim cuts, flat front.
it's bizarre that a lot of brands do tux pants so wrong. not just the baggy fit, but they'll put on belt loops or visible waist button or some other dumb thing.
So funny you mentioned this I looked at BL the other day but the site doesn't list them separately so I'd have to make a phone call. Right, do not want loops and not decided on flat front or forward pleats but leaning towards the former. I just read foo's black tie thread shit is hilarious, poor guys live in a box.